Ferrari Mailing List: Re: The Lifespan of a Modern Car with Electronics...was Re: Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday)

[LS (lashdeep]

It may be cheaper to make the part yourself, but it's certainly available in 
some way correct?

LS



----- Original Message ----
From: Rick Lindsay <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 10:58:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] The Lifespan of a Modern Car with Electronics...was Re: 
Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday)

Exactly!  I have a 1961 Mercedes 180b.  It has a rusty radius arm mount.  The 
4" x 12" piece of formed sheet metal is $800 from the M-B Classic Center - and 
that doesn't include the $79 mount point or the $39 rubber donut - and does not 
(obviously) include installation/welding.

rick


--- On Thu, 12/4/08, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] The Lifespan of a Modern Car with Electronics...was 
> Re: Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday)
> To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:48 AM
> The $300k was to build an entire car from scratch with
> custom bodywork, wheels, chassis, etc.
> 
> The standalone engine management is much, much,
> much cheaper and will be even less so in 20 yrs.
> 
> Benz has started manufacturing all of their vintage parts
> with super markups for old restorations to run the
> private parts suppliers out of business. 
> 
> Why wouldn't Ferrari do the same thing?
> 
> LS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 8:52:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] The Lifespan of a Modern Car with
> Electronics...was Re: Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old
> man rambling on Tuesday)
> 
> 
> Agreed, but when it comes time to fix that F1 tranny in 20
> years, I don't think there will be many owners who
> will pony-up anything close to $300K to fix or upgrade a 360
> F1 to keep it going.  In another ten years, the 360 will be
> lucky to maintain 20% of its original book-value.  If the
> value to reverse-engineer something surpasses the total
> value of the car....the owner is screwed (or needs to be
> REALLY in-love with the machine) .  Much of the
> Tranny's electronics are made by Magnetti Marelli -
> they're not well-known for keeping 'NOS' parts
> on the shelf forever.  
> 
> Then again, Ferrari and some of their OEM parts suppliers
> are probably scratching their heads over how many of their
> 'old cars' they thought would have disappeared long
> ago are being preserved and restored in quantities close to
> original production numbers.  I know people who are
> fabricating small plastic parts in their own garage for
> vintage Ferraris...stuff that's been NLA for
> years....the Marque is enjoying a very loyal and dedicated
> fan base that considers NOTHING Ferrari-related to be
> disposable.  Will this continue?
> 
> Hey, I hope I'm wrong....the future will be
> interesting!
> 
> M
> 
> --- On Wed, 12/3/08, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] The Lifespan of a Modern Car with
> Electronics...was Re: Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old
> man rambling on Tuesday)
> To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: "The FerrariList"
> <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 6:46 PM
> 
> 
> Jim, good to hear from you. Where have you been?
> 
> I believe Michael James' concern was that as the modern
> cars like the 360
> get older, the complex electronics would make restoration
> or maint impossible.
> 
> When most of these cars need such a solution, they will
> probably be too old
> (over 20 yrs in some states) to need to be emissions
> compliant.
> 
> The F355 will be eligible for antique tags in 6 yrs in my
> state! 
> 
> Not only will the E30 M3 be driven on the street legally,
> it will retain cats
> and will pass 1989 tailpipe standards! Although, in his
> area, he doesn't
> have to comply because the car will be exempt.
> 
> They are doing it simply as a challenge.
> 
> Regarding the motor...they were on the dyno last month with
> Dinan's new V10
> stroker, 5.6 liters I believe. They will have 600bhp in a
> 2800lb E30 M3! 
> 
> He spent something like $30k for a new V10 motor just to
> tune and setup the
> Pectel mgmt. After 1 day of dyno testing by Pectel, it was
> trash and they threw
> the engine away. Onto engine #2...
> 
> He has $300k into this whole project is not close to being
> done. There is so
> much custom bodywork, fabrication, and over the top detail
> work in the whole
> build.
> 
> The next project is to redo one of the new M3s, throw away
> all of the
> factory crap and replace with real hardware. 700bhp turbo
> 5.6 V10, hidden
> rollcage, sequential Riccardo box, Comp dry sump-Accusump
> system, carbon sun
> visors, fire extinguisher on the A pillar, etc.
> 
> Besides...emissions? Where's that male body spray?
> 
> LS
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jim Conforti <lndshrk [at] xmission.com>
> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:43:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] The Lifespan of a Modern Car with
> Electronics...was Re:
> Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on
> Tuesday)
> 
> At 09:00 AM 12/3/2008 -0800, LS wrote:
> 
> >A friend of mine is building an '89 E30 M3 with a
> 2008 BMW M5 v10 
> >drivetrain and suspension. Instead of cracking the
> factory ECU 
> >programming, he trashed it and is having Dinan assist
> him with a 
> >standalone Pectel unit to takeover everything. It was
> claimed that the 
> >modern V10 BMW could not run without proprietary BMW
> ECU control. It is a 
> >ridiculous amount of work, but he is pioneering it for
> the BMW world. It 
> >is only the beginning.
> 
>   Of course said vehicle can NEVER be operated on any
> public highway in 
> the USA.
> 
>   (Seriously)
> 
>   The chances of getting caught are low, but if he does -
> I hope he's got 
> incredibly
>   deep pockets because it's rather expensive fighting
> the US EPA in court.
> 
>   This, of course, is why you DON'T "trash"
> the factory ECU. 
> ROFLMAO.
> 
>   JC
> 
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