Ferrari Mailing List: Re: The Lifespan of a Modern Car with Electronics...was Re: Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday)

[LS (lashdeep]

The $300k was to build an entire car from scratch with custom bodywork, wheels, 
chassis, etc.

The standalone engine management is much, much, much cheaper and will be even 
less so in 20 yrs.

Benz has started manufacturing all of their vintage parts with super markups 
for old restorations to run the private parts suppliers out of business. 

Why wouldn't Ferrari do the same thing?

LS




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From: Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 8:52:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] The Lifespan of a Modern Car with Electronics...was Re: 
Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday)


Agreed, but when it comes time to fix that F1 tranny in 20 years, I don't think 
there will be many owners who will pony-up anything close to $300K to fix or 
upgrade a 360 F1 to keep it going.  In another ten years, the 360 will be lucky 
to maintain 20% of its original book-value.  If the value to reverse-engineer 
something surpasses the total value of the car....the owner is screwed (or 
needs to be REALLY in-love with the machine) .  Much of the Tranny's 
electronics are made by Magnetti Marelli - they're not well-known for keeping 
'NOS' parts on the shelf forever.  

Then again, Ferrari and some of their OEM parts suppliers are probably 
scratching their heads over how many of their 'old cars' they thought would 
have disappeared long ago are being preserved and restored in quantities close 
to original production numbers.  I know people who are fabricating small 
plastic parts in their own garage for vintage Ferraris...stuff that's been NLA 
for years....the Marque is enjoying a very loyal and dedicated fan base that 
considers NOTHING Ferrari-related to be disposable.  Will this continue?

Hey, I hope I'm wrong....the future will be interesting!

M

--- On Wed, 12/3/08, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] The Lifespan of a Modern Car with Electronics...was Re: 
Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday)
To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 6:46 PM


Jim, good to hear from you. Where have you been?

I believe Michael James' concern was that as the modern cars like the 360
get older, the complex electronics would make restoration or maint impossible.

When most of these cars need such a solution, they will probably be too old
(over 20 yrs in some states) to need to be emissions compliant.

The F355 will be eligible for antique tags in 6 yrs in my state! 

Not only will the E30 M3 be driven on the street legally, it will retain cats
and will pass 1989 tailpipe standards! Although, in his area, he doesn't
have to comply because the car will be exempt.

They are doing it simply as a challenge.

Regarding the motor...they were on the dyno last month with Dinan's new V10
stroker, 5.6 liters I believe. They will have 600bhp in a 2800lb E30 M3! 

He spent something like $30k for a new V10 motor just to tune and setup the
Pectel mgmt. After 1 day of dyno testing by Pectel, it was trash and they threw
the engine away. Onto engine #2...

He has $300k into this whole project is not close to being done. There is so
much custom bodywork, fabrication, and over the top detail work in the whole
build.

The next project is to redo one of the new M3s, throw away all of the
factory crap and replace with real hardware. 700bhp turbo 5.6 V10, hidden
rollcage, sequential Riccardo box, Comp dry sump-Accusump system, carbon sun
visors, fire extinguisher on the A pillar, etc.

Besides...emissions? Where's that male body spray?

LS


 


----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Conforti <lndshrk [at] xmission.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:43:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] The Lifespan of a Modern Car with Electronics...was Re:
Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday)

At 09:00 AM 12/3/2008 -0800, LS wrote:

>A friend of mine is building an '89 E30 M3 with a 2008 BMW M5 v10 
>drivetrain and suspension. Instead of cracking the factory ECU 
>programming, he trashed it and is having Dinan assist him with a 
>standalone Pectel unit to takeover everything. It was claimed that the 
>modern V10 BMW could not run without proprietary BMW ECU control. It is a 
>ridiculous amount of work, but he is pioneering it for the BMW world. It 
>is only the beginning.

  Of course said vehicle can NEVER be operated on any public highway in 
the USA.

  (Seriously)

  The chances of getting caught are low, but if he does - I hope he's got 
incredibly
  deep pockets because it's rather expensive fighting the US EPA in court.

  This, of course, is why you DON'T "trash" the factory ECU. 
ROFLMAO.

  JC

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