Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Motor City Christmas Card

[Mike Fleischer (themightytoe]

LOL

As a new father I'll forgive you this one...

> NO!
>
> It works with children, it works with employees.


Wait until yours hits about 5 or 6...  I recommend you take some 
pictures so you can look back to right now and remember how easy it all 
was :) 

As for the unions, having grown up outside Pontiac Michigan and knowing 
many of these folks, I tend to agree that the Unions have crippled the 
domestic US automakers and their members as well (we are talking about 
generations of dependency on the Unions here and competition to get in 
without a family connection at some can be fierce), while other 
automakers in the US also pay similar wages (look it up, Toyota pays the 
same hourly as GM for a line worker), their overhead costs are 
significantly less (as someone pointed out there is a $2000 delta in the 
cost of each car for Union and retiree benefits being paid out.  I don't 
know if Toyota has a pension plan, but somehow I doubt it.  If I recall 
United retirees were also recently pimped out of their retirement 
benefits (or most of them) when United went CH11.  Today I think folks 
pretty well expect their employers not to have their back, back in the 
day that was one of the things corporations had to offer to lure in 
decent people.

Personally I think the compensation folks get in many cases is way out 
of proportion to skills, amount of work and contribution to society 
provided.  I'd mention Lawyers here, but would hate to get sued...

Mike

Jim Conforti wrote:
> At 02:57 PM 12/14/2008 -0500, you wrote:
>   
> > Yes, there may be but it's different on every vehicle every month.  I'm not
> > generalizing, just pointing out that generalizing is part of the
> > misinformation problem.
> >     
>
> Lee,
>
> No offense, but stop the hyperanalysis.
>
> All of this analyze, "don't generalize", analyze, analyse,
> and analyze some more - has gotten us to where we are.
>
> Analysis?  Not needed
>
> Action?  NEEDED
>
> IPDE brother.
>
> Identify - The costs of Union Benefits are killing the big 3
> and mismanagement has allowed this to happen
>
> Predict - the UNION will not roll back this ridiculosity - ever
>
> Decide - The only solution is hence, Ch. 11 - followed by replacement
> of management and the boards of all 3.
>
> Execute - WELL, LETS GET ON IT
>
> N.b.: There is no mention of "BAILOUT" here.
>
> The Big 3 failed because shit-poor management has been afraid to go
> toe-to-toe w/ organized-crime-infested unions.
>
> (NO, you will not get this healthcare -- NO, you will not get this
> ridiculous compensation you are asking for -- NO, you will not get
> a "Jobs Bank" -- You should have studied in High School! -- THE END)
>
> It's really not that hard is it?
>
> NO!
>
> It works with children, it works with employees.
>
> NO!
>
> No amount of liberal intellecutal-effete hyperanalysis is going
> to change that.
>
> Chapter 11.
>
> Eliminate the friggin UNIONS.
>
> (If you have any question about this, look at the effects of the UAW
> on the output quality decline of Saturn!)
>
> Stop paying people 60-70/hr in total compensation to PUSH A BUTTON
> THAT HAS A MACHINE TIGHTEN A BOLT, or to attach a trim piece.
>
> THE END.
>
> Somehow, everyone else in this world survives without such ridiculous
> compensation and benefits.  Maybe 7-11 clerks and burger flippers
> should UNIONIZE!  LOL.
>
> Sorry, but I'm tired of this "The BIG 3 Cannot (be allowed to) FAIL"
> horseshit.
>
> Jim
>
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