Ferrari Mailing List: Do the ayes have it?

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   A some what belated,

                            AYE !
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Stephen Sherman <sherman [at] wildblue.net>
   Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:07 pm
   Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Motor City Christmas Card
   To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
   Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > All in favor say 'Aye'
   >
   > Aye
   >
   > Stephen
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: "David Thursby" <david [at] thethursbys.net>
   > To: "Stephen" <sherman [at] wildblue.net>
   > Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:05 PM
   > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Motor City Christmas Card
   >
   >
   > > Seconded.
   > >
   > > Steve Jenkins wrote:
   > >> As part-maker of the loan, I'm curious as to what is the
   > collateral on
   > >> the
   > >> loan?
   > >>
   > >> I'm a fan of chapter 11 for the "big" three. It's doesn't
   > mean they have
   > >> to
   > >> go out of business - it means they have to re-organize, they
   > have greater
   > >> ability to strong-arm the unions (don't get me started on
   > unions - they
   > >> were
   > >> necessary "back in the day" but have far outlived their
   > necessity) and
   > >> they
   > >> can restructure some of their debt. Airlines who've done it
   > (United,
   > >> Delta,
   > >> NWA) are all still alive and kicking. Of course, it didn't
   > work for Aloha
   > >> Airlines - but staying in business is not the right of any
   > organization,>> it's a privilege afforded it by its customers.
   > >>
   > >> SJ
   > >>
   > >> -----Original Message-----
   > >> From: Lee S. Lingo [mailto:LeesCars [at] comcast.net]
   > >> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:25 AM
   > >> To: Steve Jenkins
   > >> Cc: 'The FerrariList'
   > >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Motor City Christmas Card
   > >>
   > >> Yeah, this has been floating around for a month or so.
   > It's unfortunate
   > >> that it plays to the stereotype that the "Southern Senators"
   > are
   > >> claiming.
   > >> Sen.'s Bob Corker (TN), Mitch McConnell (KY), Jim Bunning
   > (KY) and
   > >> Richard
   > >> Shelby (AL) are some of the more outspoken leaders of the
   > anti-American
   > >> sentiment where it pertains to the automotive industry.
   > >>
   > >> I know that it's a lot of political posturing, but I find it
   > unbelievable>> that they are pushing out the US Auto makers and
   > feel that they are in no
   > >> need of assistance just because they have some foreign auto
   > >> manufacturer's
   > >> in their state.  Those manufacturers, Toyota, Honda,
   > Hyundai, Nissan and
   > >> Mercedes-Benz chose those locations because of intense
   > lobbying by those
   > >> states and the subsidies in taxes and such.  Those five
   > manufacturers all
   > >> use parts vendors that also provide parts to the US auto
   > makers.  If one
   > >> or
   > >> more of the US auto makers go down, their inability to pay
   > their vendors
   > >> will cause significant hardship, and most likely, closing of
   > the vendors
   > >> at
   > >> least temporarily should sufficient credit be available which
   > will in
   > >> turn
   > >> affect the foreign makers.  They're all tied together.
   > >>
   > >> And I'm sick to death of the term bailout being bandied back
   > and forth.
   > >> It's a bridge loan...
   > >>
   > >> Sorry Charles, but this issue REALLY gets my goat.
   > >>
   > >> Lee
   > >>
   > >> -----Original Message-----
   > >> From: Charles Perry [mailto:charles [at] carolina-sound.com]
   > >> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:20 AM
   > >> To: Lee Lingo
   > >> Cc: The FerrariList
   > >> Subject: [Ferrari] Motor City Christmas Card
   > >>
   > >>
   > >> Amusing, in a sad way...
   > >>
   > >> -- charles
   > >>
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