Ferrari Mailing List: Re: New F1 team set for 2010 – Made in USA?

[red5hilser (red5hilser]

Point of clarification for Tom: Yea it was a single seater. Actually Lance 
built three versions of the Sacab. The 1st was the Chevy powered sports car 
that beat Phil Hill, et al in the 1958 Times Grand Prix, held at Riverside.

Then came the front engined F1 car that he and Chuck Daigh raced in Europe. By 
that time the mid-engined revolution was in full swing and it was hopelesly 
outdated. They came back home after Spa I think.

Then came a mid-engined version that was tested at Riverside and Willow 
Springs, but never raced. I took pictures of the 1st two, but only saw the 
mid-engined in Competition Press, I think. It looked first-class, as all 
Reventlow's toys were.

BTW, an intersting story about Lance and James Dean. The last people to see and 
talk to Dean before his 'date with destiny,' 30 minutes up the road were he and 
Bruce Kessler, who were also driving from L.A. to the races in Salinas. ean and 
his mechanic in the 550 Spyder and Lance and Kessler in Lance's 300SL Gullwing.

Reventlow had stopped at a little gas station at Blackwell's Corner, out in the 
middle of nowhere, for a coke, and dean had recognized the Gullwing and stopped 
too. I've been there too many times. They used to have the best tuna salad 
sandwiches on home-baked whole wheat that I've ever tasted. 

Anyway, they chatted for a while, and Reventlow had taken off before Dean. In 
fact, Lance and Bruce didn't learn that Dean had been killed until much later 
that night. Who knows, if they had taken of
f together, they all might have been involved.

Hope this helps. Why is it that I can't remember what I had for breakfast, yet 
remember what happened 50 years ago?

Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba




Maybe I was thinking of the BoCar Stilleto.  :)

The Scarab wasn't an open wheeler, was it?  I was doing other research, guess 
it's time to no longer trust my memory and go to Google.

Ah, youth is so fleeting.

Tom in er, hmmm, Hereford, AZ?  No?  


----- Original Message ----- 

From: Red5hilser [at] aol.com 

To: kjtar [at] cox.net 

Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com 

Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 11:21 AM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New F1 team set for 2010 – Made in USA?




Hey Tom: They weren't? I'll just be damned! They had 2.4 litre engines, 
conformed with all F1 rules, and raced in F1 events. They were built for F1 
exclusively and raced in no other series. Too small for Indy, too big for 
either sprints or midgets, and as a single seater with no fenders, etc, was 
excluded from orld Sports Car competition.

 

If you really want to get technical, Gurney's Eagle wasn't a true F1 car to 
start with. Goodyear, who put up a large portion of the financial backing 
wamnted it to be primarily an Indy car. It was designed as a dual purpose 
vehicle that, with minor modifications be either. and it had far greater 
success as an Indy car than F1. Look it up in the book Dan Gurney's Racing 
Eagles. If you don't have a copy, you can borrow mine.

 
0ATo quote yer old buddy 'Tailgunner Joe' McCarthy, If it looks like a duck, 
walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, it must be a duck. End of discussion.

 

Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba

 


In a message dated 2/7/2009 10:51:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, kjtar [at] 
cox.net writes:

Ferrari Willi, Bubba, Red, Bill (etc.)
     I think the article's point was that Dan Gurney and the Eagle was the
only American driver to drive an American car (actually Anglo-American) in
Formula 1.  The Scarabs were awesome cars, but they weren't F1 cars.
Tom in Tulsa

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Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 6:43 AM
Subject: [Ferrari] New F1 team set for 2010 – Made in USA?


>
>
> Hey Stax: For shame! Gurney and his Eagle were the 1st American driver
and
> team to compete in F1? LMFAO, my friend. Better lay off the Jack. I know,
I
> was in your shoes once.
>
> I seem to remember a young chap with the last name of Reventlow back in
1960
> who entered and raced a  two car American team in  Europa that he called
> Scarabs. I think his given name was Lance.
>
> I remember seeing Lance, along with his then wife, Jill St John (the  most
> beautiful woman that I ever saw) at Riverside more than once when the
team was
> doing development testing out there.
>
>
> In a message dated 2/7/2009 12:09:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, Staxwax
> w
rites:
>
>
> New F1 team set for  2010 – Made in USA?
> Despite the fact  that motorsport worldwide is reeling from the current
> global credit crunch,  it has been revealed that a new Formula 1 team
could be set
> to take to the  grand prix starting grid in 2010 – made in America.
>
> German website  motorsport-total.com has reported that the new squad –
called
> USF1 –  has been in the offing since last summer, with at the helm former
> Williams  and Ferrari team manager Peter Windsor and highly-respected
IndyCar
> technical and design guru Ken Anderson, whose cars have triumphed in no
fewer
> than five Indianapolis 500 races and claimed four IRL  crowns.
>
> Having in the past worked alongside such F1 luminaries as  Nigel Mansell,
> Carlos Reutemann and John Barnard, Windsor now plies his  trade as an
esteemed
> journalist and television pundit. The 56-year-old is  well-known in the
States
> by dint of his commentary for SPEED TV.  Anderson previously featured in
F1
> with Ligier and Onyx back in 1989 and  1990 respectively, and has also
worked
> with success in NASCAR circles, with  Haas/CNC Racing.
>
> It is claimed that the new team – which began to  take shape following the
> 2008 Canadian Grand Prix and is said to have  received the blessing of the
> sport's commercial rights-holder Bernie  Ecclestone – will be unveiled to
the
> public before the end of this month,  and 
hopes to be ready to make its
Formula 1
> debut as early as  2010.
>
> USF1 will allegedly have its base in the heart of NASCAR  country in
> Charlotte, North Carolina, with an agreement in place to make use  of the
new
> Windshear wind tunnel in the Deep South state. There could also  be a
European
> headquarters in Bilbao in Spain.
>
> Other rumours,  meanwhile, suggest that Anderson – who is understood to
have
> attempted to  purchase the defunct Super Aguri outfit last year – is
> formulating a bid to  buy-out Honda F1.
>
> It is claimed that Anderson's goal in the USF1  project is to provide a
> showcase for both American drivers and technology.  The last US-born
driver to
> compete in the top flight was Scott Speed back in  2006 and 2007, whilst
the only
> American drivers to have lifted the world  championship laurels have been
the
> late Phil Hill in 1961 and Mario Andretti  in 1978. The sole time an
American
> driver and American car have run together  as a combination was Dan Gurney
in
> his Eagle more than four decades  ago.
>
>
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