Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Require Driving School? Yes or No?

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On heel and towing - First NO car today actually has the set up of the early 

F1 cars where by one of the pedals is below each other.  Older cars - 50 

years ago?  Yes.  Not today - Most of what we do is double clutching, by 

rolling our foot onto the gas, especially on a down shift.  Clutch in, 5 to 

N, clutch out. Roll throttle or blip, Clutch in, N to 4.  All the while 

braking - sometimes.

That said, at Riverside - preparing for turn 6, downshift 5th to 4th through 

turn 5 while braking, (see above) Back on the gas hard up the hill through 

first apex, do 4th to 3rd downshift, let out clutch,lift off gas - back end 

reverse torques and tail comes around - hard on gas through second apex down 

the short chute to turn 7.

One time, with an instructor in the car,  I had the gear shift knob come off 

doing the 4 to 3 shift.  I handed the knob to the instructor and continued 

on my merry way.  heh heh

DOUG

As for driving school?  You bet.  Ran our daughter through normal Porsche 

auto cross season.  Can not tell you how many times my racing experience as 

saved my bacon on the highways and byways - mostly spinal cord reaction - 

none of this see think do crapola.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>

To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
Cc: "Ferrarilist" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Require Driving School? Yes or No?

Oh Mike, cut it out and tell us what you really think.

--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Mike Fleischer <themightytoe [at] gmail.com> wrote:

From: Mike Fleischer <themightytoe [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Require Driving School? Yes or No?
To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: "Ferrarilist" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 9:31 AM
OK

I have been reading this thread for a bit and as an HPDE
instructor, I
will put it out there to my Ferrari list pals who I think
are a great
and entertaining group...  Would I want to share track time
with you
guys on a road course?   Hell no, I value my life too much.

Bunch of back seat drivers if I ever saw them...  I would
be genuinely
surprised to see more than 10% of this list be able to
execute a heel
and toe down shift consistently or to run a single lap in
any car, let
alone their prized Ferrari at 10/10ths.  Seriously your a
bunch of
waxers when it comes to real driving, the PCA and BMW CCA
guys would eat
your lunches no question.   No question the rides look and
sound better,
but don't fool yourselves into thinking the 370Z auto
rev matching was
not built specifically for you just like those F1 paddles
in 80% of new
Ferrari's.

As for the ZR1, yeah its a monster of a car, and not for
the
inexperienced, but in the hands of a bad driver, a Jetta is
dangerous.
The problem is not the horsepower though, that's like
saying the problem
with guns is all the bullets... (hope this stays on topic
after
that)...  I am a firm believer that in the US of A, driver
training is
abysmal, no one should learn anything more than the rules
for dodge ball
and the proper form of a sit up from their gym teacher...
We Americans
start out with terrible training and then spend the rest of
our lives
adding bad habits to that poor training.  I know many
adults who could
not manage to parallel park to save their lives.  Take the
bad training
and habits and throw in a total lack of regard for your
fellow man and
you have a bit of a dangerous situation.   Before you point
fingers at
all those kids who are getting bad training... What did you
do to
improve the same bad training you received?  I learned to
drive in the
UK and even that was not sufficient training in my
opinion...  I pro
actively went out and attended many driving schools and car
control
clinics right after I got out of college.

I think that driver training is changing, here in IL (state
of
corruption that it is) driver training is probably the most
strict in
the country, they just bumped new driver seat time
requirements from 50
to 100 hours of logged driving with a licensed driver
(parent) or
instructor before a license is granted.  Kids here need to
keep a log
book (like a pilot in training).  I think that is a step in
the right
direction.  Next step is mandatory in car testing for the
first few
years of driving, and retesting at regular intervals (like
every 5
years).  (Hey that would create jobs too...)  No
demonstration of safe
skills, no license.  Plain and simple.

No matter how much training you give, there will still be
someone who's
skills are exceeded by their egos and our insurance rates
will go up...
I don't blame them anymore than I blame people in Texas
for letting
black mold grow in their duct works for raising my
insurance rates...
Rick go check your ducts man!

:)

Larry B wrote:
> You mean if I hand my wife the keys to my Ferrari she
might not come back alive? Hmmm.  For as long as I've
owned it she hasn't planted her rear in the driver's
seat, but this gives me reason to rethink that position.
>
> Okay, just kidding.  Probably.
>
> LarryDate: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:14:12 -0800From:
cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com
> . . . . Do we really toss the wife the keys to our
Ferraris and hope they come back alive?
>
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Re: Require Driving School? Yes or No?	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Doug and Terri Anderson (dntdock.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:02:53 -0800 (PST)