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From: philville dejazzd.com (philville![]() |
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:35:22 -0700 (PDT) |
I recall a Lancia 1.2 L 4 cyl ( and if you do not know the engine it is sweet) DOHC's in a very narrow V so they accomplis this with 2 cams. At any rate my recollection was 450 HP ....and this was probably 30 years ago.......some of the under 1L engines (many of which were Fiat based were real jewels OSCA had a really beautiful 850cc engine but I do not recall the HP. Phil ( who needs huge and heavy ) ----- Original Message ----- From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> Date: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:28 am Subject: Re: [Ferrari] BUGATTI WOW ! - (NFC) To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com> Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com > > I'd like to see car manufacturers engineer components that > are simpler and lighter. 1000bhp in Veyron is impressive > quantitatively. But, when you look at how it was accomplished, > it's not so great. 4 turbochargers on an already massive and > heavy engine? Doesn't it get 8mpg? There's not much to be proud > of there. > > 400bhp engine with 20mph and variable valve timing? Why not > 400bhp with 25mpg *without* variable valve timing and with the > same powerband? > > Complexitiy and added engineering doesn't always make something > better does it? > > Mike, I'm with you on the hands free phone calls! :) > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mike Fleischer <themightytoe [at] gmail.com> > To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> > Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:00:19 AM > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] BUGATTI WOW ! - (NFC) > > I am not certain I agree with either point... These cars are > fodder for > adolescent fantasy no question but engineering superiority? > > Creating limited production run, hand assembled vehicles is not > really > much different than building a race car, both have a list of > rules to > follow (wether its FIA regulations for a spoiler placement or > door > intrusion during a side impact). Production numbers differ a > bit (in > some cases not really that much)... > > Clearly the motors and drive trains and chassis and > wheels/tires/suspension can show some significant innovation but > none of > these "supercars" represent more than beautiful styling, > expensive > materials, hot rodded motors and a large price tag. By that > measure, > the Mac F1, the F40, even the Enzo, are really impressive cars, > but > engineering accomplishments? Not really as much as they are an > exercise > in mechanical aptitude and visual design. > > Let's face facts, automotive innovation is very few and far > between... > Its mostly an exercise in accounting (even at Ferrari) and > marketing. > Real engineering is happening, but most of that is related to > improving > efficiencies, or manufacturing costs or any other aspect that > makes the > cars more profitable and sell-able. > > Here are some automotive stuff that are really innovative (that > you can > actually see on your car): > > Toyota's Prius (give them props where they are due) > Volkswagen's TDI cars > Run flat tires > In car navigation > Hands free phone calls > Regenerative brake systems > Direct Injection > Variable valve control > Vehicle auto-cruise control > Vehicle auto-parking... > > Most of the other stuff has been rolled into the manufacturing > like > cracked piston rods, or lower tolerances on bearings because of > engine > oil improvements, single piece engine blocks, removal of piston > sleeve > liners, or more consistent body panels due to better stamping > machinery... > While some of the supercars may use these, none of them were > early > adopters... > > That said, The Bugatti Veyron is just plain ugly. Sorry, I do > not care > for it at all, style wise its just hideous and has no appeal > whatsoever > to me. Impressive performance on it, but yuck, the automotive > equivalent of plaid golfer pants... > > Mike > > Dan Warlick wrote: > > Agreed 100%. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "LS" <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> > > To: "Daniel" <edwf430 [at] att.net> > > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:58 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] BUGATTI WOW ! - (NFC) > > > > > > > > Is it really an engineering accomplishment? I beg to differ, > it has 24 > > turbos and 50000 horsepower. Big deal...a kid could predict that. > > > > An engineering accomplishment would be to design a car that > could do the > > same with 600bhp or without all of the complication...and a > lot of race cars > > have come close to that. There's nothing impressive about a > 4700lb "sporty" > > car that is as complicated as the Veyron. > > > > McLaren F1 is still the ultimate! > > > > LS > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: E M <pokiebaron [at] gmail.com> > > To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> > > Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:45:43 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] BUGATTI WOW ! - (NFC) > > > > I think the record was set by a Peugeot, of 253 mph, or 406 > kmh. I think > > they put the twisties in Mulsanne straight, late 80's real > 90's to help > > keep top speeds down. > > > > I think the old porsche 917s were touching up near 240 mph, > but I can't find > > any official times for it posted. > > > > The thing with the BUG, if you drive it like that, you'll be > out of gas in > > about 12 minutes, if you start with a full tank, and tires > probably not long > > after. lol. Still, it is quite the engineering accomplishment > for a road > > car!! ;-) > > > > Ed > > 911SC > > > > 2009/3/30 <red5hilser [at] aol.com> > > > > > >> Does any Tifosi out there know what the all-time top speed > reached on the > >> straight at Le Mans is? I think it's not too much slower than > this. Just > >> wondering . . . > >> > >> Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Get there faster with the MapQuest Toolbar. Try it now. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Get there faster with the MapQuest Toolbar. Try it now. > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > >> > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/pokiebaron%40gmai l.com>> > >> Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com > >> and F1 Headlines > >> http://www.F1Headlines.com/ > >> > >> > >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > > > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/lashdeep%40yahoo. com> > > Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com > > and F1 Headlines > > http://www.F1Headlines.com/ > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > > > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/edwf430%40att.net > > > Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com > > and F1 Headlines > > http://www.F1Headlines.com/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > > > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/themightytoe%40gm ail.com> > > Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com > > and F1 Headlines > > http://www.F1Headlines.com/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/lashdeep%40yahoo. com > > Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com > and F1 Headlines > http://www.F1Headlines.com/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/philville%40dejaz zd.com > > Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com > and F1 Headlines > http://www.F1Headlines.com/ Philip "Phil" Tegtmeier 39 Churchill Drive Elverson Pa 19520 610.525.8949 And, go to: ... www.PhilvilleUSA.com
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Re: BUGATTI WOW ! - (NFC) LS, March 30 2009
- Re: BUGATTI WOW ! - (NFC) Dan Warlick, March 30 2009
- Re: BUGATTI WOW ! - (NFC) Mike Fleischer, March 30 2009
- Re: BUGATTI WOW ! - (NFC) LS, March 30 2009
- More power little motors philville dejazzd.com, March 30 2009
- Re: More power little motors LS, March 30 2009
- Re: More power little motors Hans E. Hansen, March 30 2009
- Re: More power little motors Fortune Motors, March 30 2009
- Re: More power little motors Mike Fleischer, March 30 2009
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Re: BUGATTI WOW ! - (NFC) LS, March 30 2009
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