Re: Ferrari - Where's the Passion?
From: JAshburne (JAshburneaol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:03:53 -0700 (PDT)
 
Bubba
 
Isn't that Goodyear question a repost?  Not that there's anything  wrong 
with that because I've forgotten the answer from the first time you asked  it! 
 
 
John
 
In a message dated 6/1/2009 3:04:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
red5hilser [at] aol.com writes:

Dan,  along with A.J. Foyt were the first ones to spray champagne. It was 
LeMans,  1967?.

When and where was the 1st Goodyear F1 victory. Who was driving  what 
marque?


-----Original Message-----
From: francis  
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion?


So I'm  sure this is very easy too - but what ritual did Mr Gurney 
commence, and where  and when??
?
F?
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On 31 May 2009, at 00:47, Red5hilser [at] aol.com  wrote:?
?
> B*I*N*G*O! You answered the question.?
>?
>  Now that wasn't that hard, was it??
>?
> Yer pal,  Bubba?
>?
>?
> -----Original Message-----?
> From:  francis?
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the  Passion??
>?
>?
> Hi Bubba??
> ??
> Race of  Champions, Brands, 12th March 1967.??
> ??
> Best??
>  ??
> Francis??
> ??
> On 29 May 2009, at 23:35,  Red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote:??
> ??
>> ??
>> No trick at  all. Gurney was at the wheel of chassis 102, with the > >> 
new V12  engine, and it was months before the Spa victory. He beat > >>  
Bandini in?a Ferrari. Read the question again. Think like a lawyer >>  > and 
good luck. <g>??
>> ??
>> I'm sure that  cLyDe, with all his F1 passion and knowledge is just >> > 
too humble  to give us the correct answer.??
>> ??
>> Yer pal, Ferrari  Bubba??
>> ??
>> Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba??
>>  ??
>> -----Original Message-----??
>> From:  Larry??
>> Subject: RE: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the  Passion???
>> ??
>> ??
>> So it is a trick question  because you're asking for the first > >> 
European victory of that  particular car -- not that particular >> driver???
>>  ???
>>> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:21:12 -0400??
>>>  From: red5hilser [at] aol.com??
>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari -  Where's the Passion???
>>> CC: ItsmeMrWright [at] aol.com;  ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com; >> 
rentiers [at] mac.com>>> ;  Rexnbutchie [at] aol.com??
>>> To:  larrybard [at] hotmail.com??
>>> ??
>>> Hey francis: WRONG!  Read the question again, and maybe you'll get >>>  
it.??
>>> ??
>>> Sorry, yer pal, Ferrari  Bubba??
>>> ??
>>> ??
>>> -----Original  Message-----??
>>> From: francis newman??
>>> To:  Bubba??
>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the  Passion???
>>> ??
>>> ??
>>> Unless it's a  trick question - Belgian GP June 18 1967 - the one >>> 
>> and  only win.???
>>> ???
>>> One of the Eagle Weslake V12s  was at GTO Engineering, a ferrari >> >>> 
shop a couple of miles  from where I live, having some work done a >>> >> 
couple of  years ago. Beautiful car.???
>>> ???
>>> Do I get to  ask the next question.???
>>> ???
>>>  Best???
>>> ???
>>> Francis???
>>>  ???
>>> On 29 May 2009, at 15:38, Red5hilser [at] aol.com  wrote:???
>>> ???
>>>> Hey Phil: I think that  there's more than a fair share of passion >>>> 
> >>>  right here in East Jesus, AR.????
>>>> ???
>>>>  Dos Hermanos Rodriquez? I saw Ricardo win the under 2 litre class  
>>>> >>> at?> the Times GP at?Riverside in his brand  new Porsche RSK >>>> in 
the >>> late > '50s, and both  GTS Doug and I chatted with his >>>> older 
>>> brother in  the > pits at Laguna Seca after his Can-Am >>>> Ferrari  >>> 
dropped out with he > said, "the fuel pump, she  >>>> chorted!"???
>>>> ????
>>>> If  you or anyone out ther want to play a little F1 or Ferrari >>>  
>>>> racing > trivia, either on or off line, I'm up to the  challenge.???
>>>> ???
>>>> Trivia Question?1.  When and where was Dan Gurney's F1 Eagle's >>> 
>>>> first  > win in Europe????
>>>> ???
>>>> Any  takers?? --? Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba???
>>>>  ???
>>>> ???
>>>> -----Original  Message-----???
>>>> From: philville???
>>>>  Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National >>>>  
Sales >>> tax???
>>>> ???
>>>>  ???
>>>> ???
>>>> ???
>>>> OK,  break out the flame throwers, but, I am not quite certain >>>>  
that???
>>>> owning a Ferrari today means the same thing to  many of the owners 
>>>> >>> as???
>>>> it  did even 5 to 10 years ago....???
>>>> At one time it was a  goal, a goal that few ever anticipated???
>>>> accomplishing,  the enthusiasts were consumed with owning a >>>> 
Ferrari  >>> > now???
>>>> I fear that many are only  consumed with consuming and >>>>  
owning....how???
>>>> many people (owners / enthusiasts ) know  the serial number of >>>> 
their???
>>>> car? How  many can actually recite much of the history of the car >>>> 
 or???
>>>> know what the history of the drivers were who was  Phil Hill or???
>>>> Grahm Hill or the Rodriguez bros.....and  don't even think about >>>> 
the???
>>>> truly  incredible men who raced these cars in the 40's and > >>>  >>>> 
50's.....or???
>>>> about Ferraris efforts at  Indy........???
>>>> ???
>>>> Where is the  passion????
>>>> ----- Original Message  -----???
>>>> From: rolindsay [at] yahoo.com???
>>>>  Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:43 pm???
>>>> Subject: Re:  [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National >>>> 
Sales  >>> > tax???
>>>> To: Phil Tegtmeier  <philville [at] dejazzd.com>???
>>>> Cc: FerrariList  <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>???
>>>>> I've thought about  that too. Ferrari owners are by definition???
>>>>> unique.  And unique isn't allowed in a socialist system.  Hummm...???
>>>>> ???
>>>>>  Rick???
>>>>> ???
>>>>> Sent via  BlackBerry by AT&T???
>>>>> ???
>>>>>  -----Original Message-----???
>>>>> From: "Rick"  <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>???
>>>>>  ???
>>>>> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009  20:54:51???
>>>>> To:  rolindsay<rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>???
>>>>> Cc: The  FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>???
>>>>> Subject:  Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National???
>>>>>  Sales tax???
>>>>> ???
>>>>>  ???
>>>>> I used to think that most people here on this NG  already owned a???
>>>>> Ferrari  or???
>>>>> were inspired to own one in the future and were  likely saving up???
>>>>> for the  big???
>>>>> day when they could take possession of one. I  didn't realize???
>>>>> that  there???
>>>>> would be so many who would rather give more  of their income to???
>>>>> the BO ,so  he???
>>>>> can redistribute it to whatever group of people  that BO???
>>>>> desires, instead  of???
>>>>> them keeping as much of their hard earned  money???
>>>> as they can. I???
>>>>> don't  see???
>>>>> how BO's confiscation of more of their income  would help them???
>>>>> get to own  a???
>>>>> Ferrari any faster. But then maybe it's just me  being selfish???
>>>>> for not???
>>>>>  wanting to buy any more illegal aliens their free helath  care.???
>>>>> ???
>>>>>  ???
>>>>> ----- Original Message  -----???
>>>>> From: "Rick Morris"  <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>???
>>>>> To: "Rick"  <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>???
>>>>> Cc: "The FerrariList"  <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>???
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May  28, 2009 5:38 PM???
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here  comes BO's 10 % US National???
>>>>> Sales  tax???
>>>>> ???
>>>>>  ???
>>>>>> I hate to say it, but thinking that BO was  going to take it I???
>>>>> had  already???
>>>>>> started working out moving our  operation off shore. So,???
>>>>> his tax  increase???
>>>>>> will likely see my taxes drop by 10's  of K per year. Yeah-???
>>>>> that  increase???
>>>>>> will pan our really well for  him.???
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>> And it is  not a matter of being selfish, as most of the have-???
>>>>>  nots seem to???
>>>>>> think. Most of them are the  will-nots, which is why they???
>>>>> are  have-nots.???
>>>>>> I have no problem helping those that  are can-nots- they???
>>>>> absolutely  need???
>>>>>> the help. I also have no problem in  helping to supply a???
>>>>> safety net  for???
>>>>>> those that unexpectedly, and through no  fault of their own,???
>>>>> fall on  hard???
>>>>>> times. But that latter group will also be  in need short-???
>>>>> term, and  not???
>>>>>> decide to live off of the social system.  Unfortunately,???
>>>>> the Democrats  are???
>>>>>> generally socialist minded individuals, and  our current Pres I???
>>>>> would  have???
>>>>>> to say has at least one foot into  communism. Just how???
>>>>> much  private???
>>>>>> business is our government taking over  now????
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>  Incidentally, I too have lived in two systems.  Socialism???
>>>>> simply does  not???
>>>>>> work, and for the reasons previously  stated. It is great???
>>>>> in theory,  but???
>>>>>> falls apart when you bring the human  element into it. I???
>>>>> say open  the???
>>>>>> border to the north, give people the choice  of socialism or???
>>>>> capitalism???
>>>>  ???
>>>>>> (heck, the capitalist side can even pay to  move the socialists???
>>>>> north),  and???
>>>>>> then lock the border up tight. Lets see who  makes it???
>>>>> through the  year.???
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>> (getting  down off the soap box and waiting to see who is up >>>>>>  
next)???
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>> Big  R???
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>  ________________________________???
>>>>>>  ???
>>>>>> From: Rick Lindsay  [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]???
>>>>>> Sent: Thu  5/28/2009 3:43 PM???
>>>>>> To: Rick  Morris???
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes  BO's 10 % US National???
>>>>> Sales  tax???
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>  ???
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>  ???
>>>>>> No sir. You are the rick with the BIG  R!???
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>> --- On Thu,  5/28/09, Rick Morris  <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>???
>>>>>  wrote:>???
>>>>>>> From: Rick Morris  <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>???
>>>>>>> Subject:  Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National???
>>>>>  Sales tax???
>>>>>>> To: "rolindsay"  <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>???
>>>>>>> Cc: "The  FerrariList"  <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>???
>>>>>>> Date:  Thursday, May 28, 2009, 3:37 PM???
>>>>>>> Have I been  demoted to just 'the???
>>>>>>> other Rick' now?  ;-)???
>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>>  ________________________________???
>>>>>>>  ???
>>>>>>> From: Rick Lindsay  [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]???
>>>>>>> Sent: Thu  5/28/2009 3:11 PM???
>>>>>>> To: Rick  Morris???
>>>>>>> Cc: The  FerrariList???
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC:  Here comes BO's 10 % US???
>>>>>>> National Sales  tax???
>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>>  ???
>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>>  ???
>>>>>>> Hello  Friends,???
>>>>>>> We are obviously of mixed  minds???
>>>>>>> here. Discussions like this are often  contested???
>>>>>>> between the "haves" and the  "have-nots". I'm not sure???
>>>>>>> that's the case  here in FList land. Most of us 'have'???
>>>>>>> to  some degree. Hummm...???
>>>>>>>  ???
>>>>>>> I think it just comes down to the  fact???
>>>>>>> that those of us who went to school  for a zillion years,???
>>>>>>> have worked hard all  of our lives at good jobs, paid our???
>>>>>>> bills,  paid our taxes, have a little coin tucked away  and???
>>>>>>> have no debt - are being told that we  don't deserve anything???
>>>>>>> that we have and  that we need to redistribute it to the???
>>>>>>>  people who???
>>>> did NOT study, work, pay bills, pay taxes  and???
>>>>>>> save - just so that we can all be  equals at some low,???
>>>>>>> marginally acceptable  level. That just does not work???
>>>>>>> for me. One  doesn't get from life what one???
>>>>>>> deserves.  One gets what one works for. (Please???
>>>>>>> pardon  the preposition at the end of the  sentence.)???
>>>>>>>  ???
>>>>>>> I know I'm a hard-ass when it comes  to???
>>>>>>> this but I've seen both sides. I grew up  poor,???
>>>>>>> descended from an even poorer  Scottish family. I have???
>>>>>>> relatives who do  NOTHING but whine - at least when their???
>>>>>>>  Oxycontin starts to wear off - and they get more  government???
>>>>>>> money than any of us - for doing  absolutely NOTHING.???
>>>>>>> They're ignorant and  proud of it, living a lifestyle of "Why???
>>>>>>>  work if I can get government money for free?"  That???
>>>>>>> attitude is why communism and  socialism does not work.???
>>>>>>> I've lived in  Russia and have seen it first hand. I???
>>>>>>> don't  care if Tim Geitner says, "Soon we won't care how  much???
>>>>>>> money we earn. We'll care about how we  live."???
>>>>>>> That's just naive (and/or more  likely, intended for ears???
>>>>>>> other than ours).  Hummm...???
>>>>>>>  ???
>>>>>>> Socialism feels very "moral  high-ground"???
>>>>>>> in concept but it fails  because it is counter to basic???
>>>>>>> evolutionary  forces. Life wants to survive and???
>>>>>>>  replicate, even if at the expense of others. We  want???
>>>>>>> to win the race/game/contest even  though someone else has to???
>>>>>>> loose. Its how  life works. Just look at what???
>>>>>>> people watch  on network TV! We have to compete and we???
>>>>>>>  like to win! Winning upsets the balance that  socialism???
>>>>>>> tries to  establish.???
>>>>>>>  ???
>>>>>>> The system being forced upon us now  is???
>>>>>>> counter to all of that. Its like saying  that all the???
>>>>>>> F1 teams can compete but no  one is allowed to win.???
>>>>>>> They must all be  equals. Someone should take all of???
>>>>>>> Toyota,  Ferrari and McLaren's money and give it to  Force???
>>>>>>> India so that all of  the???
>>>> teams will be equals.  This???
>>>>>>> concept violates the Great Truth of  the Universe Rule #14:???
>>>>>>> "No two anythings  were ever created equal." That???
>>>>>>> includes us,  brothers.???
>>>>>>>  ???
>>>>>>> rick (That's rick with a small "r", not  the other Rick with???
>>>>>>> the big  "R")???
>>>>>>>  
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