Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Ferrari - Where's the Passion?

[francis newman (francis]

So I'm sure this is very easy too - but what ritual did Mr Gurney  
commence, and where and when?

F

On 31 May 2009, at 00:47, Red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote:

> B*I*N*G*O! You answered the question.
>
> Now that wasn't that hard, was it?
>
> Yer pal, Bubba
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: francis
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion?
>
>
> Hi Bubba?
> ?
> Race of Champions, Brands, 12th March 1967.?
> ?
> Best?
> ?
> Francis?
> ?
> On 29 May 2009, at 23:35, Red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote:?
> ?
> > ?
> > No trick at all. Gurney was at the wheel of chassis 102, with the >  
> > new V12 engine, and it was months before the Spa victory. He beat >  
> > Bandini in?a Ferrari. Read the question again. Think like a lawyer  
> > > and good luck. <g>?
> > ?
> > I'm sure that cLyDe, with all his F1 passion and knowledge is just  
> > > too humble to give us the correct answer.?
> > ?
> > Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba?
> > ?
> > Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba?
> > ?
> > -----Original Message-----?
> > From: Larry?
> > Subject: RE: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion??
> > ?
> > ?
> > So it is a trick question because you're asking for the first >  
> > European victory of that particular car -- not that particular  
> > driver??
> > ??
> > > Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:21:12 -0400?
> > > From: red5hilser [at] aol.com?
> > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion??
> > > CC: ItsmeMrWright [at] aol.com; ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com; >> rentiers [at] mac.com 
> > > ; Rexnbutchie [at] aol.com?
> > > To: larrybard [at] hotmail.com?
> > > ?
> > > Hey francis: WRONG! Read the question again, and maybe you'll get  
> > > it.?
> > > ?
> > > Sorry, yer pal, Ferrari Bubba?
> > > ?
> > > ?
> > > -----Original Message-----?
> > > From: francis newman?
> > > To: Bubba?
> > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion??
> > > ?
> > > ?
> > > Unless it's a trick question - Belgian GP June 18 1967 - the one  
> > > >> and only win.??
> > > ??
> > > One of the Eagle Weslake V12s was at GTO Engineering, a ferrari >>  
> > > shop a couple of miles from where I live, having some work done a  
> > > >> couple of years ago. Beautiful car.??
> > > ??
> > > Do I get to ask the next question.??
> > > ??
> > > Best??
> > > ??
> > > Francis??
> > > ??
> > > On 29 May 2009, at 15:38, Red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote:??
> > > ??
> > > > Hey Phil: I think that there's more than a fair share of passion  
> > > > > >>> right here in East Jesus, AR.???
> > > > ??
> > > > Dos Hermanos Rodriquez? I saw Ricardo win the under 2 litre class  
> > > > >>> at?> the Times GP at?Riverside in his brand new Porsche RSK  
> > > > in the >>> late > '50s, and both GTS Doug and I chatted with his  
> > > > older >>> brother in the > pits at Laguna Seca after his Can-Am  
> > > > Ferrari >>> dropped out with he > said, "the fuel pump, she  
> > > > chorted!"??
> > > > ???
> > > > If you or anyone out ther want to play a little F1 or Ferrari >>>  
> > > > racing > trivia, either on or off line, I'm up to the challenge.??
> > > > ??
> > > > Trivia Question?1. When and where was Dan Gurney's F1 Eagle's >>>  
> > > > first > win in Europe???
> > > > ??
> > > > Any takers?? --? Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba??
> > > > ??
> > > > ??
> > > > -----Original Message-----??
> > > > From: philville??
> > > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National  
> > > > Sales >>> tax??
> > > > ??
> > > > ??
> > > > ??
> > > > ??
> > > > OK, break out the flame throwers, but, I am not quite certain  
> > > > that??
> > > > owning a Ferrari today means the same thing to many of the owners  
> > > > >>> as??
> > > > it did even 5 to 10 years ago....??
> > > > At one time it was a goal, a goal that few ever anticipated??
> > > > accomplishing, the enthusiasts were consumed with owning a  
> > > > Ferrari >>> > now??
> > > > I fear that many are only consumed with consuming and  
> > > > owning....how??
> > > > many people (owners / enthusiasts ) know the serial number of  
> > > > their??
> > > > car? How many can actually recite much of the history of the car  
> > > > or??
> > > > know what the history of the drivers were who was Phil Hill or??
> > > > Grahm Hill or the Rodriguez bros.....and don't even think about  
> > > > the??
> > > > truly incredible men who raced these cars in the 40's and > >>>  
> > > > 50's.....or??
> > > > about Ferraris efforts at Indy........??
> > > > ??
> > > > Where is the passion???
> > > > ----- Original Message -----??
> > > > From: rolindsay [at] yahoo.com??
> > > > Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:43 pm??
> > > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National  
> > > > Sales >>> > tax??
> > > > To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>??
> > > > Cc: FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>??
> > > > > I've thought about that too. Ferrari owners are by definition??
> > > > > unique. And unique isn't allowed in a socialist system. Hummm...??
> > > > > ??
> > > > > Rick??
> > > > > ??
> > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T??
> > > > > ??
> > > > > -----Original Message-----??
> > > > > From: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>??
> > > > > ??
> > > > > Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:54:51??
> > > > > To: rolindsay<rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>??
> > > > > Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>??
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National??
> > > > > Sales tax??
> > > > > ??
> > > > > ??
> > > > > I used to think that most people here on this NG already owned a??
> > > > > Ferrari or??
> > > > > were inspired to own one in the future and were likely saving up??
> > > > > for the big??
> > > > > day when they could take possession of one. I didn't realize??
> > > > > that there??
> > > > > would be so many who would rather give more of their income to??
> > > > > the BO ,so he??
> > > > > can redistribute it to whatever group of people that BO??
> > > > > desires, instead of??
> > > > > them keeping as much of their hard earned money??
> > > > as they can. I??
> > > > > don't see??
> > > > > how BO's confiscation of more of their income would help them??
> > > > > get to own a??
> > > > > Ferrari any faster. But then maybe it's just me being selfish??
> > > > > for not??
> > > > > wanting to buy any more illegal aliens their free helath care.??
> > > > > ??
> > > > > ??
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----??
> > > > > From: "Rick Morris" <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>??
> > > > > To: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>??
> > > > > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>??
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:38 PM??
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National??
> > > > > Sales tax??
> > > > > ??
> > > > > ??
> > > > > > I hate to say it, but thinking that BO was going to take it I??
> > > > > had already??
> > > > > > started working out moving our operation off shore. So,??
> > > > > his tax increase??
> > > > > > will likely see my taxes drop by 10's of K per year. Yeah-??
> > > > > that increase??
> > > > > > will pan our really well for him.??
> > > > > > ??
> > > > > > And it is not a matter of being selfish, as most of the have-??
> > > > > nots seem to??
> > > > > > think. Most of them are the will-nots, which is why they??
> > > > > are have-nots.??
> > > > > > I have no problem helping those that are can-nots- they??
> > > > > absolutely need??
> > > > > > the help. I also have no problem in helping to supply a??
> > > > > safety net for??
> > > > > > those that unexpectedly, and through no fault of their own,??
> > > > > fall on hard??
> > > > > > times. But that latter group will also be in need short-??
> > > > > term, and not??
> > > > > > decide to live off of the social system. Unfortunately,??
> > > > > the Democrats are??
> > > > > > generally socialist minded individuals, and our current Pres I??
> > > > > would have??
> > > > > > to say has at least one foot into communism. Just how??
> > > > > much private??
> > > > > > business is our government taking over now???
> > > > > > ??
> > > > > > Incidentally, I too have lived in two systems. Socialism??
> > > > > simply does not??
> > > > > > work, and for the reasons previously stated. It is great??
> > > > > in theory, but??
> > > > > > falls apart when you bring the human element into it. I??
> > > > > say open the??
> > > > > > border to the north, give people the choice of socialism or??
> > > > > capitalism??
> > > > ??
> > > > > > (heck, the capitalist side can even pay to move the socialists??
> > > > > north), and??
> > > > > > then lock the border up tight. Lets see who makes it??
> > > > > through the year.??
> > > > > > ??
> > > > > > (getting down off the soap box and waiting to see who is up  
> > > > > > next)??
> > > > > > ??
> > > > > > Big R??
> > > > > > ??
> > > > > > ________________________________??
> > > > > > ??
> > > > > > From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]??
> > > > > > Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:43 PM??
> > > > > > To: Rick Morris??
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National??
> > > > > Sales tax??
> > > > > > ??
> > > > > > ??
> > > > > > ??
> > > > > > ??
> > > > > > No sir. You are the rick with the BIG R!??
> > > > > > ??
> > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>??
> > > > > wrote:>??
> > > > > > > From: Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>??
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National??
> > > > > Sales tax??
> > > > > > > To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>??
> > > > > > > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>??
> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 3:37 PM??
> > > > > > > Have I been demoted to just 'the??
> > > > > > > other Rick' now? ;-)??
> > > > > > > ??
> > > > > > > ________________________________??
> > > > > > > ??
> > > > > > > From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]??
> > > > > > > Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:11 PM??
> > > > > > > To: Rick Morris??
> > > > > > > Cc: The FerrariList??
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US??
> > > > > > > National Sales tax??
> > > > > > > ??
> > > > > > > ??
> > > > > > > ??
> > > > > > > ??
> > > > > > > Hello Friends,??
> > > > > > > We are obviously of mixed minds??
> > > > > > > here. Discussions like this are often contested??
> > > > > > > between the "haves" and the "have-nots". I'm not sure??
> > > > > > > that's the case here in FList land. Most of us 'have'??
> > > > > > > to some degree. Hummm...??
> > > > > > > ??
> > > > > > > I think it just comes down to the fact??
> > > > > > > that those of us who went to school for a zillion years,??
> > > > > > > have worked hard all of our lives at good jobs, paid our??
> > > > > > > bills, paid our taxes, have a little coin tucked away and??
> > > > > > > have no debt - are being told that we don't deserve anything??
> > > > > > > that we have and that we need to redistribute it to the??
> > > > > > > people who??
> > > > did NOT study, work, pay bills, pay taxes and??
> > > > > > > save - just so that we can all be equals at some low,??
> > > > > > > marginally acceptable level. That just does not work??
> > > > > > > for me. One doesn't get from life what one??
> > > > > > > deserves. One gets what one works for. (Please??
> > > > > > > pardon the preposition at the end of the sentence.)??
> > > > > > > ??
> > > > > > > I know I'm a hard-ass when it comes to??
> > > > > > > this but I've seen both sides. I grew up poor,??
> > > > > > > descended from an even poorer Scottish family. I have??
> > > > > > > relatives who do NOTHING but whine - at least when their??
> > > > > > > Oxycontin starts to wear off - and they get more government??
> > > > > > > money than any of us - for doing absolutely NOTHING.??
> > > > > > > They're ignorant and proud of it, living a lifestyle of "Why??
> > > > > > > work if I can get government money for free?" That??
> > > > > > > attitude is why communism and socialism does not work.??
> > > > > > > I've lived in Russia and have seen it first hand. I??
> > > > > > > don't care if Tim Geitner says, "Soon we won't care how much??
> > > > > > > money we earn. We'll care about how we live."??
> > > > > > > That's just naive (and/or more likely, intended for ears??
> > > > > > > other than ours). Hummm...??
> > > > > > > ??
> > > > > > > Socialism feels very "moral high-ground"??
> > > > > > > in concept but it fails because it is counter to basic??
> > > > > > > evolutionary forces. Life wants to survive and??
> > > > > > > replicate, even if at the expense of others. We want??
> > > > > > > to win the race/game/contest even though someone else has to??
> > > > > > > loose. Its how life works. Just look at what??
> > > > > > > people watch on network TV! We have to compete and we??
> > > > > > > like to win! Winning upsets the balance that socialism??
> > > > > > > tries to establish.??
> > > > > > > ??
> > > > > > > The system being forced upon us now is??
> > > > > > > counter to all of that. Its like saying that all the??
> > > > > > > F1 teams can compete but no one is allowed to win.??
> > > > > > > They must all be equals. Someone should take all of??
> > > > > > > Toyota, Ferrari and McLaren's money and give it to Force??
> > > > > > > India so that all of the??
> > > > teams will be equals. This??
> > > > > > > concept violates the Great Truth of the Universe Rule #14:??
> > > > > > > "No two anythings were ever created equal." That??
> > > > > > > includes us, brothers.??
> > > > > > > ??
> > > > > > > rick (That's rick with a small "r", not the other Rick with??
> > > > > > > the big "R")??
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