Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Ferrari - Where's the Passion?

[Tom Reynolds (kjtar]

Spraying champagne from the Winner's podium.
Tom Reynolds
Tulsa, OK
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "francis newman" <francis [at] fntn.co.uk>
To: <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Cc: <ItsmeMrWright [at] aol.com>; <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>;
<Rexnbutchie [at] aol.com>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion?


> So I'm sure this is very easy too - but what ritual did Mr Gurney
> commence, and where and when?
>
> F
>
> On 31 May 2009, at 00:47, Red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote:
>
> > B*I*N*G*O! You answered the question.
> >
> > Now that wasn't that hard, was it?
> >
> > Yer pal, Bubba
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: francis
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion?
> >
> >
> > Hi Bubba?
> > ?
> > Race of Champions, Brands, 12th March 1967.?
> > ?
> > Best?
> > ?
> > Francis?
> > ?
> > On 29 May 2009, at 23:35, Red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote:?
> > ?
> >> ?
> >> No trick at all. Gurney was at the wheel of chassis 102, with the >
> >> new V12 engine, and it was months before the Spa victory. He beat >
> >> Bandini in?a Ferrari. Read the question again. Think like a lawyer
> >> > and good luck. <g>?
> >> ?
> >> I'm sure that cLyDe, with all his F1 passion and knowledge is just
> >> > too humble to give us the correct answer.?
> >> ?
> >> Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba?
> >> ?
> >> Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba?
> >> ?
> >> -----Original Message-----?
> >> From: Larry?
> >> Subject: RE: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion??
> >> ?
> >> ?
> >> So it is a trick question because you're asking for the first >
> >> European victory of that particular car -- not that particular
> >> driver??
> >> ??
> >>> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:21:12 -0400?
> >>> From: red5hilser [at] aol.com?
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion??
> >>> CC: ItsmeMrWright [at] aol.com; ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com; >>
rentiers [at] mac.com
> >>> ; Rexnbutchie [at] aol.com?
> >>> To: larrybard [at] hotmail.com?
> >>> ?
> >>> Hey francis: WRONG! Read the question again, and maybe you'll get
> >>> it.?
> >>> ?
> >>> Sorry, yer pal, Ferrari Bubba?
> >>> ?
> >>> ?
> >>> -----Original Message-----?
> >>> From: francis newman?
> >>> To: Bubba?
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion??
> >>> ?
> >>> ?
> >>> Unless it's a trick question - Belgian GP June 18 1967 - the one
> >>> >> and only win.??
> >>> ??
> >>> One of the Eagle Weslake V12s was at GTO Engineering, a ferrari >>
> >>> shop a couple of miles from where I live, having some work done a
> >>> >> couple of years ago. Beautiful car.??
> >>> ??
> >>> Do I get to ask the next question.??
> >>> ??
> >>> Best??
> >>> ??
> >>> Francis??
> >>> ??
> >>> On 29 May 2009, at 15:38, Red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote:??
> >>> ??
> >>>> Hey Phil: I think that there's more than a fair share of passion
> >>>> > >>> right here in East Jesus, AR.???
> >>>> ??
> >>>> Dos Hermanos Rodriquez? I saw Ricardo win the under 2 litre class
> >>>> >>> at?> the Times GP at?Riverside in his brand new Porsche RSK
> >>>> in the >>> late > '50s, and both GTS Doug and I chatted with his
> >>>> older >>> brother in the > pits at Laguna Seca after his Can-Am
> >>>> Ferrari >>> dropped out with he > said, "the fuel pump, she
> >>>> chorted!"??
> >>>> ???
> >>>> If you or anyone out ther want to play a little F1 or Ferrari >>>
> >>>> racing > trivia, either on or off line, I'm up to the challenge.??
> >>>> ??
> >>>> Trivia Question?1. When and where was Dan Gurney's F1 Eagle's >>>
> >>>> first > win in Europe???
> >>>> ??
> >>>> Any takers?? --? Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba??
> >>>> ??
> >>>> ??
> >>>> -----Original Message-----??
> >>>> From: philville??
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
> >>>> Sales >>> tax??
> >>>> ??
> >>>> ??
> >>>> ??
> >>>> ??
> >>>> OK, break out the flame throwers, but, I am not quite certain
> >>>> that??
> >>>> owning a Ferrari today means the same thing to many of the owners
> >>>> >>> as??
> >>>> it did even 5 to 10 years ago....??
> >>>> At one time it was a goal, a goal that few ever anticipated??
> >>>> accomplishing, the enthusiasts were consumed with owning a
> >>>> Ferrari >>> > now??
> >>>> I fear that many are only consumed with consuming and
> >>>> owning....how??
> >>>> many people (owners / enthusiasts ) know the serial number of
> >>>> their??
> >>>> car? How many can actually recite much of the history of the car
> >>>> or??
> >>>> know what the history of the drivers were who was Phil Hill or??
> >>>> Grahm Hill or the Rodriguez bros.....and don't even think about
> >>>> the??
> >>>> truly incredible men who raced these cars in the 40's and > >>>
> >>>> 50's.....or??
> >>>> about Ferraris efforts at Indy........??
> >>>> ??
> >>>> Where is the passion???
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----??
> >>>> From: rolindsay [at] yahoo.com??
> >>>> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:43 pm??
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
> >>>> Sales >>> > tax??
> >>>> To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>??
> >>>> Cc: FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>??
> >>>>> I've thought about that too. Ferrari owners are by definition??
> >>>>> unique. And unique isn't allowed in a socialist system. Hummm...??
> >>>>> ??
> >>>>> Rick??
> >>>>> ??
> >>>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T??
> >>>>> ??
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----??
> >>>>> From: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>??
> >>>>> ??
> >>>>> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:54:51??
> >>>>> To: rolindsay<rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>??
> >>>>> Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>??
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National??
> >>>>> Sales tax??
> >>>>> ??
> >>>>> ??
> >>>>> I used to think that most people here on this NG already owned a??
> >>>>> Ferrari or??
> >>>>> were inspired to own one in the future and were likely saving up??
> >>>>> for the big??
> >>>>> day when they could take possession of one. I didn't realize??
> >>>>> that there??
> >>>>> would be so many who would rather give more of their income to??
> >>>>> the BO ,so he??
> >>>>> can redistribute it to whatever group of people that BO??
> >>>>> desires, instead of??
> >>>>> them keeping as much of their hard earned money??
> >>>> as they can. I??
> >>>>> don't see??
> >>>>> how BO's confiscation of more of their income would help them??
> >>>>> get to own a??
> >>>>> Ferrari any faster. But then maybe it's just me being selfish??
> >>>>> for not??
> >>>>> wanting to buy any more illegal aliens their free helath care.??
> >>>>> ??
> >>>>> ??
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----??
> >>>>> From: "Rick Morris" <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>??
> >>>>> To: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>??
> >>>>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>??
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:38 PM??
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National??
> >>>>> Sales tax??
> >>>>> ??
> >>>>> ??
> >>>>>> I hate to say it, but thinking that BO was going to take it I??
> >>>>> had already??
> >>>>>> started working out moving our operation off shore. So,??
> >>>>> his tax increase??
> >>>>>> will likely see my taxes drop by 10's of K per year. Yeah-??
> >>>>> that increase??
> >>>>>> will pan our really well for him.??
> >>>>>> ??
> >>>>>> And it is not a matter of being selfish, as most of the have-??
> >>>>> nots seem to??
> >>>>>> think. Most of them are the will-nots, which is why they??
> >>>>> are have-nots.??
> >>>>>> I have no problem helping those that are can-nots- they??
> >>>>> absolutely need??
> >>>>>> the help. I also have no problem in helping to supply a??
> >>>>> safety net for??
> >>>>>> those that unexpectedly, and through no fault of their own,??
> >>>>> fall on hard??
> >>>>>> times. But that latter group will also be in need short-??
> >>>>> term, and not??
> >>>>>> decide to live off of the social system. Unfortunately,??
> >>>>> the Democrats are??
> >>>>>> generally socialist minded individuals, and our current Pres I??
> >>>>> would have??
> >>>>>> to say has at least one foot into communism. Just how??
> >>>>> much private??
> >>>>>> business is our government taking over now???
> >>>>>> ??
> >>>>>> Incidentally, I too have lived in two systems. Socialism??
> >>>>> simply does not??
> >>>>>> work, and for the reasons previously stated. It is great??
> >>>>> in theory, but??
> >>>>>> falls apart when you bring the human element into it. I??
> >>>>> say open the??
> >>>>>> border to the north, give people the choice of socialism or??
> >>>>> capitalism??
> >>>> ??
> >>>>>> (heck, the capitalist side can even pay to move the socialists??
> >>>>> north), and??
> >>>>>> then lock the border up tight. Lets see who makes it??
> >>>>> through the year.??
> >>>>>> ??
> >>>>>> (getting down off the soap box and waiting to see who is up
> >>>>>> next)??
> >>>>>> ??
> >>>>>> Big R??
> >>>>>> ??
> >>>>>> ________________________________??
> >>>>>> ??
> >>>>>> From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]??
> >>>>>> Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:43 PM??
> >>>>>> To: Rick Morris??
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National??
> >>>>> Sales tax??
> >>>>>> ??
> >>>>>> ??
> >>>>>> ??
> >>>>>> ??
> >>>>>> No sir. You are the rick with the BIG R!??
> >>>>>> ??
> >>>>>> --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>??
> >>>>> wrote:>??
> >>>>>>> From: Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>??
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National??
> >>>>> Sales tax??
> >>>>>>> To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>??
> >>>>>>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>??
> >>>>>>> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 3:37 PM??
> >>>>>>> Have I been demoted to just 'the??
> >>>>>>> other Rick' now? ;-)??
> >>>>>>> ??
> >>>>>>> ________________________________??
> >>>>>>> ??
> >>>>>>> From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]??
> >>>>>>> Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:11 PM??
> >>>>>>> To: Rick Morris??
> >>>>>>> Cc: The FerrariList??
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US??
> >>>>>>> National Sales tax??
> >>>>>>> ??
> >>>>>>> ??
> >>>>>>> ??
> >>>>>>> ??
> >>>>>>> Hello Friends,??
> >>>>>>> We are obviously of mixed minds??
> >>>>>>> here. Discussions like this are often contested??
> >>>>>>> between the "haves" and the "have-nots". I'm not sure??
> >>>>>>> that's the case here in FList land. Most of us 'have'??
> >>>>>>> to some degree. Hummm...??
> >>>>>>> ??
> >>>>>>> I think it just comes down to the fact??
> >>>>>>> that those of us who went to school for a zillion years,??
> >>>>>>> have worked hard all of our lives at good jobs, paid our??
> >>>>>>> bills, paid our taxes, have a little coin tucked away and??
> >>>>>>> have no debt - are being told that we don't deserve anything??
> >>>>>>> that we have and that we need to redistribute it to the??
> >>>>>>> people who??
> >>>> did NOT study, work, pay bills, pay taxes and??
> >>>>>>> save - just so that we can all be equals at some low,??
> >>>>>>> marginally acceptable level. That just does not work??
> >>>>>>> for me. One doesn't get from life what one??
> >>>>>>> deserves. One gets what one works for. (Please??
> >>>>>>> pardon the preposition at the end of the sentence.)??
> >>>>>>> ??
> >>>>>>> I know I'm a hard-ass when it comes to??
> >>>>>>> this but I've seen both sides. I grew up poor,??
> >>>>>>> descended from an even poorer Scottish family. I have??
> >>>>>>> relatives who do NOTHING but whine - at least when their??
> >>>>>>> Oxycontin starts to wear off - and they get more government??
> >>>>>>> money than any of us - for doing absolutely NOTHING.??
> >>>>>>> They're ignorant and proud of it, living a lifestyle of "Why??
> >>>>>>> work if I can get government money for free?" That??
> >>>>>>> attitude is why communism and socialism does not work.??
> >>>>>>> I've lived in Russia and have seen it first hand. I??
> >>>>>>> don't care if Tim Geitner says, "Soon we won't care how much??
> >>>>>>> money we earn. We'll care about how we live."??
> >>>>>>> That's just naive (and/or more likely, intended for ears??
> >>>>>>> other than ours). Hummm...??
> >>>>>>> ??
> >>>>>>> Socialism feels very "moral high-ground"??
> >>>>>>> in concept but it fails because it is counter to basic??
> >>>>>>> evolutionary forces. Life wants to survive and??
> >>>>>>> replicate, even if at the expense of others. We want??
> >>>>>>> to win the race/game/contest even though someone else has to??
> >>>>>>> loose. Its how life works. Just look at what??
> >>>>>>> people watch on network TV! We have to compete and we??
> >>>>>>> like to win! Winning upsets the balance that socialism??
> >>>>>>> tries to establish.??
> >>>>>>> ??
> >>>>>>> The system being forced upon us now is??
> >>>>>>> counter to all of that. Its like saying that all the??
> >>>>>>> F1 teams can compete but no one is allowed to win.??
> >>>>>>> They must all be equals. Someone should take all of??
> >>>>>>> Toyota, Ferrari and McLaren's money and give it to Force??
> >>>>>>> India so that all of the??
> >>>> teams will be equals. This??
> >>>>>>> concept violates the Great Truth of the Universe Rule #14:??
> >>>>>>> "No two anythings were ever created equal." That??
> >>>>>>> includes us, brothers.??
> >>>>>>> ??
> >>>>>>> rick (That's rick with a small "r", not the other Rick with??
> >>>>>>> the big "R")??
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