Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Ferrari - Where's the Passion?

[red5hilser (red5hilser]

Dan, along with A.J. Foyt were the first ones to spray champagne. It was 
LeMans, 1967?.

When and where was the 1st Goodyear F1 victory. Who was driving what marque?


-----Original Message-----
From: francis 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion?


So I'm sure this is very easy too - but what ritual did Mr Gurney commence, and 
where and when??
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On 31 May 2009, at 00:47, Red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote:?
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> B*I*N*G*O! You answered the question.?
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> Now that wasn't that hard, was it??
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> Yer pal, Bubba?
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> -----Original Message-----?
> From: francis?
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion??
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> Hi Bubba??
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> Race of Champions, Brands, 12th March 1967.??
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> Best??
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> Francis??
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> On 29 May 2009, at 23:35, Red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote:??
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>> No trick at all. Gurney was at the wheel of chassis 102, with the > >> new 
>> V12 engine, and it was months before the Spa victory. He beat > >> Bandini 
>> in?a Ferrari. Read the question again. Think like a lawyer >> > and good 
>> luck. <g>??
>> ??
>> I'm sure that cLyDe, with all his F1 passion and knowledge is just >> > too 
>> humble to give us the correct answer.??
>> ??
>> Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba??
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>> Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba??
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>> -----Original Message-----??
>> From: Larry??
>> Subject: RE: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion???
>> ??
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>> So it is a trick question because you're asking for the first > >> European 
>> victory of that particular car -- not that particular >> driver???
>> ???
>>> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:21:12 -0400??
>>> From: red5hilser [at] aol.com??
>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion???
>>> CC: ItsmeMrWright [at] aol.com; ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com; >> rentiers 
>>> [at] mac.com>>> ; Rexnbutchie [at] aol.com??
>>> To: larrybard [at] hotmail.com??
>>> ??
>>> Hey francis: WRONG! Read the question again, and maybe you'll get >>> it.??
>>> ??
>>> Sorry, yer pal, Ferrari Bubba??
>>> ??
>>> ??
>>> -----Original Message-----??
>>> From: francis newman??
>>> To: Bubba??
>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion???
>>> ??
>>> ??
>>> Unless it's a trick question - Belgian GP June 18 1967 - the one >>> >> and 
>>> only win.???
>>> ???
>>> One of the Eagle Weslake V12s was at GTO Engineering, a ferrari >> >>> shop 
>>> a couple of miles from where I live, having some work done a >>> >> couple 
>>> of years ago. Beautiful car.???
>>> ???
>>> Do I get to ask the next question.???
>>> ???
>>> Best???
>>> ???
>>> Francis???
>>> ???
>>> On 29 May 2009, at 15:38, Red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote:???
>>> ???
>>>> Hey Phil: I think that there's more than a fair share of passion >>>> > 
>>>> >>> right here in East Jesus, AR.????
>>>> ???
>>>> Dos Hermanos Rodriquez? I saw Ricardo win the under 2 litre class >>>> >>> 
>>>> at?> the Times GP at?Riverside in his brand new Porsche RSK >>>> in the 
>>>> >>> late > '50s, and both GTS Doug and I chatted with his >>>> older >>> 
>>>> brother in the > pits at Laguna Seca after his Can-Am >>>> Ferrari >>> 
>>>> dropped out with he > said, "the fuel pump, she >>>> chorted!"???
>>>> ????
>>>> If you or anyone out ther want to play a little F1 or Ferrari >>> >>>> 
>>>> racing > trivia, either on or off line, I'm up to the challenge.???
>>>> ???
>>>> Trivia Question?1. When and where was Dan Gurney's F1 Eagle's >>> >>>> 
>>>> first > win in Europe????
>>>> ???
>>>> Any takers?? --? Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba???
>>>> ???
>>>> ???
>>>> -----Original Message-----???
>>>> From: philville???
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National >>>> Sales 
>>>> >>> tax???
>>>> ???
>>>> ???
>>>> ???
>>>> ???
>>>> OK, break out the flame throwers, but, I am not quite certain >>>> that???
>>>> owning a Ferrari today means the same thing to many of the owners >>>> >>> 
>>>> as???
>>>> it did even 5 to 10 years ago....???
>>>> At one time it was a goal, a goal that few ever anticipated???
>>>> accomplishing, the enthusiasts were consumed with owning a >>>> Ferrari 
>>>> >>> > now???
>>>> I fear that many are only consumed with consuming and >>>> owning....how???
>>>> many people (owners / enthusiasts ) know the serial number of >>>> their???
>>>> car? How many can actually recite much of the history of the car >>>> or???
>>>> know what the history of the drivers were who was Phil Hill or???
>>>> Grahm Hill or the Rodriguez bros.....and don't even think about >>>> the???
>>>> truly incredible men who raced these cars in the 40's and > >>> >>>> 
>>>> 50's.....or???
>>>> about Ferraris efforts at Indy........???
>>>> ???
>>>> Where is the passion????
>>>> ----- Original Message -----???
>>>> From: rolindsay [at] yahoo.com???
>>>> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:43 pm???
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National >>>> Sales 
>>>> >>> > tax???
>>>> To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>???
>>>> Cc: FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>???
>>>>> I've thought about that too. Ferrari owners are by definition???
>>>>> unique. And unique isn't allowed in a socialist system. Hummm...???
>>>>> ???
>>>>> Rick???
>>>>> ???
>>>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T???
>>>>> ???
>>>>> -----Original Message-----???
>>>>> From: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>???
>>>>> ???
>>>>> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:54:51???
>>>>> To: rolindsay<rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>???
>>>>> Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>???
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National???
>>>>> Sales tax???
>>>>> ???
>>>>> ???
>>>>> I used to think that most people here on this NG already owned a???
>>>>> Ferrari or???
>>>>> were inspired to own one in the future and were likely saving up???
>>>>> for the big???
>>>>> day when they could take possession of one. I didn't realize???
>>>>> that there???
>>>>> would be so many who would rather give more of their income to???
>>>>> the BO ,so he???
>>>>> can redistribute it to whatever group of people that BO???
>>>>> desires, instead of???
>>>>> them keeping as much of their hard earned money???
>>>> as they can. I???
>>>>> don't see???
>>>>> how BO's confiscation of more of their income would help them???
>>>>> get to own a???
>>>>> Ferrari any faster. But then maybe it's just me being selfish???
>>>>> for not???
>>>>> wanting to buy any more illegal aliens their free helath care.???
>>>>> ???
>>>>> ???
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----???
>>>>> From: "Rick Morris" <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>???
>>>>> To: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>???
>>>>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>???
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:38 PM???
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National???
>>>>> Sales tax???
>>>>> ???
>>>>> ???
>>>>>> I hate to say it, but thinking that BO was going to take it I???
>>>>> had already???
>>>>>> started working out moving our operation off shore. So,???
>>>>> his tax increase???
>>>>>> will likely see my taxes drop by 10's of K per year. Yeah-???
>>>>> that increase???
>>>>>> will pan our really well for him.???
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>> And it is not a matter of being selfish, as most of the have-???
>>>>> nots seem to???
>>>>>> think. Most of them are the will-nots, which is why they???
>>>>> are have-nots.???
>>>>>> I have no problem helping those that are can-nots- they???
>>>>> absolutely need???
>>>>>> the help. I also have no problem in helping to supply a???
>>>>> safety net for???
>>>>>> those that unexpectedly, and through no fault of their own,???
>>>>> fall on hard???
>>>>>> times. But that latter group will also be in need short-???
>>>>> term, and not???
>>>>>> decide to live off of the social system. Unfortunately,???
>>>>> the Democrats are???
>>>>>> generally socialist minded individuals, and our current Pres I???
>>>>> would have???
>>>>>> to say has at least one foot into communism. Just how???
>>>>> much private???
>>>>>> business is our government taking over now????
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>> Incidentally, I too have lived in two systems. Socialism???
>>>>> simply does not???
>>>>>> work, and for the reasons previously stated. It is great???
>>>>> in theory, but???
>>>>>> falls apart when you bring the human element into it. I???
>>>>> say open the???
>>>>>> border to the north, give people the choice of socialism or???
>>>>> capitalism???
>>>> ???
>>>>>> (heck, the capitalist side can even pay to move the socialists???
>>>>> north), and???
>>>>>> then lock the border up tight. Lets see who makes it???
>>>>> through the year.???
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>> (getting down off the soap box and waiting to see who is up >>>>>> 
>>>>>> next)???
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>> Big R???
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>> ________________________________???
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>> From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]???
>>>>>> Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:43 PM???
>>>>>> To: Rick Morris???
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National???
>>>>> Sales tax???
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>> No sir. You are the rick with the BIG R!???
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>> --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>???
>>>>> wrote:>???
>>>>>>> From: Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>???
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National???
>>>>> Sales tax???
>>>>>>> To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>???
>>>>>>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>???
>>>>>>> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 3:37 PM???
>>>>>>> Have I been demoted to just 'the???
>>>>>>> other Rick' now? ;-)???
>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>> ________________________________???
>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>> From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]???
>>>>>>> Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:11 PM???
>>>>>>> To: Rick Morris???
>>>>>>> Cc: The FerrariList???
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US???
>>>>>>> National Sales tax???
>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>> Hello Friends,???
>>>>>>> We are obviously of mixed minds???
>>>>>>> here. Discussions like this are often contested???
>>>>>>> between the "haves" and the "have-nots". I'm not sure???
>>>>>>> that's the case here in FList land. Most of us 'have'???
>>>>>>> to some degree. Hummm...???
>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>> I think it just comes down to the fact???
>>>>>>> that those of us who went to school for a zillion years,???
>>>>>>> have worked hard all of our lives at good jobs, paid our???
>>>>>>> bills, paid our taxes, have a little coin tucked away and???
>>>>>>> have no debt - are being told that we don't deserve anything???
>>>>>>> that we have and that we need to redistribute it to the???
>>>>>>> people who???
>>>> did NOT study, work, pay bills, pay taxes and???
>>>>>>> save - just so that we can all be equals at some low,???
>>>>>>> marginally acceptable level. That just does not work???
>>>>>>> for me. One doesn't get from life what one???
>>>>>>> deserves. One gets what one works for. (Please???
>>>>>>> pardon the preposition at the end of the sentence.)???
>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>> I know I'm a hard-ass when it comes to???
>>>>>>> this but I've seen both sides. I grew up poor,???
>>>>>>> descended from an even poorer Scottish family. I have???
>>>>>>> relatives who do NOTHING but whine - at least when their???
>>>>>>> Oxycontin starts to wear off - and they get more government???
>>>>>>> money than any of us - for doing absolutely NOTHING.???
>>>>>>> They're ignorant and proud of it, living a lifestyle of "Why???
>>>>>>> work if I can get government money for free?" That???
>>>>>>> attitude is why communism and socialism does not work.???
>>>>>>> I've lived in Russia and have seen it first hand. I???
>>>>>>> don't care if Tim Geitner says, "Soon we won't care how much???
>>>>>>> money we earn. We'll care about how we live."???
>>>>>>> That's just naive (and/or more likely, intended for ears???
>>>>>>> other than ours). Hummm...???
>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>> Socialism feels very "moral high-ground"???
>>>>>>> in concept but it fails because it is counter to basic???
>>>>>>> evolutionary forces. Life wants to survive and???
>>>>>>> replicate, even if at the expense of others. We want???
>>>>>>> to win the race/game/contest even though someone else has to???
>>>>>>> loose. Its how life works. Just look at what???
>>>>>>> people watch on network TV! We have to compete and we???
>>>>>>> like to win! Winning upsets the balance that socialism???
>>>>>>> tries to establish.???
>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>> The system being forced upon us now is???
>>>>>>> counter to all of that. Its like saying that all the???
>>>>>>> F1 teams can compete but no one is allowed to win.???
>>>>>>> They must all be equals. Someone should take all of???
>>>>>>> Toyota, Ferrari and McLaren's money and give it to Force???
>>>>>>> India so that all of the???
>>>> teams will be equals. This???
>>>>>>> concept violates the Great Truth of the Universe Rule #14:???
>>>>>>> "No two anythings were ever created equal." That???
>>>>>>> includes us, brothers.???
>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>> rick (That's rick with a small "r", not the other Rick with???
>>>>>>> the big "R")???
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