Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Engine Rebuild III

[LarryT (l02turner]

For anyone unfamiliar with the ZDDP furor - take a quick read here 
http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html
It is a very helpful article and you'll understand why it may be important 
to add ZDDP to your engine oil.   An Oil Analysis can also help but I don't 
want this to come across as a sales pitch.

Good luck -
LarryT

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From: "Stephen Sherman" <sherman [at] wildblue.net>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:07 AM
To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III

> Has he mentioned ZDDP. Several years ago it was reduced to help cats last
> longer at the price of flat tappet engines FAIL.
> That why I changed to Valvolene Racing 20 w 50. Castrol came out with 
> Syntec
> for 'classic' but apparently there was not enough market and stopped 
> making
> it. Syntec is still on the shelves but the product for Classics is not. I
> talked to Castrol when it came out and was told to make sure it had the
> 'Classic' on the label as there was old stock that did not and did not 
> have
> the extra ZDDP. A year ago it was on the close out shelf and I was told 
> that
> it was being discontinued.
>
> Stephen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> To: "Stephen" <sherman [at] wildblue.net>
> Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
>
>
> David recommends a heavier-weight synthetic.....I used 0-W-40 Mobil 1
> European Car formula with two bottles of either 10-W-40 or 20-W-50 thrown 
> in
> to add some additional 'weight' to the mix.....the overheating I've
> experienced broke-down the oil, and increased bearing wear....so, I have a
> lot of internal damage for only 36K on the odometer.
>
>
> --- On Thu, 11/26/09, JIM WILCOX <jimshadow [at] verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: JIM WILCOX <jimshadow [at] verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:57 PM
>
>
> I'd be curious to hear what oil David recommends in the 308.
> He is a good guy and has helped me out quite a bit with my GT4.
>
> JIM
>
> --- On Thu, 11/26/09, Tom Reynolds <kjtar [at] cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tom Reynolds <kjtar [at] cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> To: "JIM" <jimshadow [at] verizon.net>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 6:11 PM
>
>
> Michael,
> What kind of oil were you using? How long between changes? What kind
> of driving did you usually do? What oil is he recommending for when the 
> car
> is back on the road again?
> Tom
> Tulsa
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> To: <kjtar [at] cox.net>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
>
>
> My mechanic, David Feinberg, believes my choice in oil coupled with the 
> heat
> did some serious damage - the piston rings scoured the cylinder liners, 
> and
> vice-versa when the oil 'broke-down" from high-heat, and the bearings in 
> the
> motor are all SHOT. The Cams and Crankshaft were spared, but the bearing
> sets have risen in price over the years....and so have cylinder liners. I
> also burned-through a piston. I also have all of the engine gaskets to
> replace (a whole-set of engine gaskets are $1,800, which include the head
> gaskets). All 16 exhaust valves are destroyed, along with 9 intake
> valves.....the previous valve job managed to 'nick' all of the valves and
> corrupt their sealing properties, so my compression/leakdown numbers were
> horrible across the board. I suppose I should be lucky that the Block and
> Heads were spared, but the internal 'bits' that have been roasted over the
> years....crap!
>
> Anywho, we'll have to sit-down and review what the way-ahead looks like.
>
> M
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/25/09, Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 4:40 PM
>
>
> As Bill famously said, "I feel your pain." In my case a TR first gear
> repair, a crown gear carrier upgrade, and a ridiculously expensive
> throwout bearing replacement. Kind of like the restaurant price guide
> - $$$$$.
>
> Michael James wrote:
>
> > Well, the good news is that the Block and Heads are NOT warped at all. In
> fact, we can re-use them with only minor machine work.
> > And that's about the only good news I have......there was evidence of a
> previous valve-job done BADLY, and most all of the valves need 
> replacement,
> along with the valve guides. I also need one new piston, all new piston
> rings, and here's the kicker - all new nikasil cylinder liners. Ted 
> Rutlands
> was called, and he has NO QV engines 'on the shelf', so I'm stuck 
> rebuilding
> my own engine. The parts bill will be steep....
> > M
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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