Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Engine Rebuild III

[E M (pokiebaron]

The reduction in ZDDP has been a problem for many.  I'd rather change a cat
more often than rebuild an engine.  I think there are a couple of racing
oils, or oils for off road use that still have proper levels of zddp.  I
believe harley still have qood levels in their oil, but it would take a lot
of those tiny, expensive bottles to fill a Ferrari.  I used a 10W40 diesel
oil in my old mercedes, which is a gasser engine.  It has good levels of
zddp I'm told, but don't have the numbers on hand.  You might want to check
with Ferrari, and see exactly what levels they recommend.  There are a few
polular oils out there that claim higher levels, but they still may fall
short of what the manufacture originally recommended.  Calling up the
various oil company's info lines, should get you the levels they have in
their various oils on offer.

Good luck.

Ed
911SC

2009/11/30 Stephen Sherman <sherman [at] wildblue.net>

> Has he mentioned ZDDP. Several years ago it was reduced to help cats last
> longer at the price of flat tappet engines FAIL.
> That why I changed to Valvolene Racing 20 w 50. Castrol came out with
> Syntec
> for 'classic' but apparently there was not enough market and stopped making
> it. Syntec is still on the shelves but the product for Classics is not. I
> talked to Castrol when it came out and was told to make sure it had the
> 'Classic' on the label as there was old stock that did not and did not have
> the extra ZDDP. A year ago it was on the close out shelf and I was told
> that
> it was being discontinued.
>
> Stephen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> To: "Stephen" <sherman [at] wildblue.net>
> Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
>
>
> David recommends a heavier-weight synthetic.....I used 0-W-40 Mobil 1
> European Car formula with two bottles of either 10-W-40 or 20-W-50 thrown
> in
> to add some additional 'weight' to the mix.....the overheating I've
> experienced broke-down the oil, and increased bearing wear....so, I have a
> lot of internal damage for only 36K on the odometer.
>
>
> --- On Thu, 11/26/09, JIM WILCOX <jimshadow [at] verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: JIM WILCOX <jimshadow [at] verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:57 PM
>
>
> I'd be curious to hear what oil David recommends in the 308.
> He is a good guy and has helped me out quite a bit with my GT4.
>
> JIM
>
> --- On Thu, 11/26/09, Tom Reynolds <kjtar [at] cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tom Reynolds <kjtar [at] cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> To: "JIM" <jimshadow [at] verizon.net>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 6:11 PM
>
>
> Michael,
> What kind of oil were you using? How long between changes? What kind
> of driving did you usually do? What oil is he recommending for when the car
> is back on the road again?
> Tom
> Tulsa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> To: <kjtar [at] cox.net>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
>
>
> My mechanic, David Feinberg, believes my choice in oil coupled with the
> heat
> did some serious damage - the piston rings scoured the cylinder liners, and
> vice-versa when the oil 'broke-down" from high-heat, and the bearings in
> the
> motor are all SHOT. The Cams and Crankshaft were spared, but the bearing
> sets have risen in price over the years....and so have cylinder liners. I
> also burned-through a piston. I also have all of the engine gaskets to
> replace (a whole-set of engine gaskets are $1,800, which include the head
> gaskets). All 16 exhaust valves are destroyed, along with 9 intake
> valves.....the previous valve job managed to 'nick' all of the valves and
> corrupt their sealing properties, so my compression/leakdown numbers were
> horrible across the board. I suppose I should be lucky that the Block and
> Heads were spared, but the internal 'bits' that have been roasted over the
> years....crap!
>
> Anywho, we'll have to sit-down and review what the way-ahead looks like.
>
> M
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/25/09, Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 4:40 PM
>
>
> As Bill famously said, "I feel your pain." In my case a TR first gear
> repair, a crown gear carrier upgrade, and a ridiculously expensive
> throwout bearing replacement. Kind of like the restaurant price guide
> - $$$$$.
>
> Michael James wrote:
>
> >
> >Well, the good news is that the Block and Heads are NOT warped at all. In
> fact, we can re-use them with only minor machine work.
> >
> >And that's about the only good news I have......there was evidence of a
> previous valve-job done BADLY, and most all of the valves need replacement,
> along with the valve guides. I also need one new piston, all new piston
> rings, and here's the kicker - all new nikasil cylinder liners. Ted
> Rutlands
> was called, and he has NO QV engines 'on the shelf', so I'm stuck
> rebuilding
> my own engine. The parts bill will be steep....
> >
> >M
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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