Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Engine Rebuild III

[Jim Conforti (lndshrk]

This was on the S54 - the same oil is also specified for the S65 engine in my
2008 E90 M3.

Martin Stark wrote:
> I'm in agreement with Jim,  but wasn't BMW's motivation in going to
> 10W60 because they were experiencing main bearing failures that they
> later determined to be caused by a bearing problem not by the originally
> spec'ed oil?  Though after they fixed the bearings they still maintained
> the 10W60 spec.
> 
> Jim Conforti wrote:
>> BMW Coolant is indeed a good choice.  I even use it in my Kubota Tractor.
>>
>> As far as "mixing" grades of oil, I'd defer to a real (oil) expert, but it
>> doesn't seem like a wise idea to me.  Pick a good synthetic oil and run with 
>> it.
>>
>> BMW uses 10w60 Castrol RS or Castrol TWS on their M Cars.  Between $10 and 
>> $16
>> per liter depending on where you buy it.  It's designed for high heat and 
>> high
>> RPMs.  BMW Part # 07 51 0 009 420
>>
>> Michael James wrote:
>>   
>>> My mechanic swears-by BMW antifreeze (at $60/gallon), being the proper 
>>> formulation for all-aluminum engines - he hates Prestone or other 
>>> off-the-shelf products as never having done their homework for all-aluminum 
>>> blocks, and what they need....not sure his feelings about running pure 
>>> water/water-wetter in there, but we'll have to discuss that much-later down 
>>> the road....
>>>  
>>> M
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Ken Rentiers <rentiers [at] me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Ken Rentiers <rentiers [at] me.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
>>> To: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: "ken rentiers" <rentiers [at] mail.com>, "The FerrariList" <ferrari 
>>> [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>> Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 11:23 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael something that helps there is to fill the cooling system with just 
>>> water  - a much more efficient heat transfer medium than the typical 50-50 
>>> winter mix. Try it you'll be amazed.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] 
>>> yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>     
>>>> My Driving was limited to mostly highway miles, no track time, and 
>>>> very-limited hard driving, certainly nowhere near redline or the limits of 
>>>> the car.  But I have had several excursions of very HOT driving, where 
>>>> speeds were low and engine temps were soaring.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Thu, 11/26/09, Tom Reynolds <kjtar [at] cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Tom Reynolds <kjtar [at] cox.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
>>>> To: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
>>>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>>> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 6:11 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael,
>>>>       What kind of oil were you using?  How long between changes?  What 
>>>> kind
>>>> of driving did you usually do?  What oil is he recommending for when the 
>>>> car
>>>> is back on the road again?
>>>> Tom
>>>> Tulsa
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
>>>> To: <kjtar [at] cox.net>
>>>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:54 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My mechanic, David Feinberg, believes my choice in oil coupled with the 
>>>> heat
>>>> did some serious damage - the piston rings scoured the cylinder liners, and
>>>> vice-versa when the oil 'broke-down" from high-heat, and the bearings in 
>>>> the
>>>> motor are all SHOT. The Cams and Crankshaft were spared, but the bearing
>>>> sets have risen in price over the years....and so have cylinder liners. I
>>>> also burned-through a piston. I also have all of the engine gaskets to
>>>> replace (a whole-set of engine gaskets are $1,800, which include the head
>>>> gaskets). All 16 exhaust valves are destroyed, along with 9 intake
>>>> valves.....the previous valve job managed to 'nick' all of the valves and
>>>> corrupt their sealing properties, so my compression/leakdown numbers were
>>>> horrible across the board. I suppose I should be lucky that the Block and
>>>> Heads were spared, but the internal 'bits' that have been roasted over the
>>>> years....crap!
>>>>
>>>> Anywho, we'll have to sit-down and review what the way-ahead looks like.
>>>>
>>>> M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Wed, 11/25/09, Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
>>>> To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
>>>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 4:40 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As Bill famously said, "I feel your pain." In my case a TR first gear
>>>> repair, a crown gear carrier upgrade, and a ridiculously expensive
>>>> throwout bearing replacement. Kind of like the restaurant price guide
>>>> - $$$$$.
>>>>
>>>> Michael James wrote:
>>>>
>>>>       
>>>>> Well, the good news is that the Block and Heads are NOT warped at all. In
>>>>>         
>>>> fact, we can re-use them with only minor machine work.
>>>>       
>>>>> And that's about the only good news I have......there was evidence of a
>>>>>         
>>>> previous valve-job done BADLY, and most all of the valves need replacement,
>>>> along with the valve guides. I also need one new piston, all new piston
>>>> rings, and here's the kicker - all new nikasil cylinder liners. Ted 
>>>> Rutlands
>>>> was called, and he has NO QV engines 'on the shelf', so I'm stuck 
>>>> rebuilding
>>>> my own engine. The parts bill will be steep....
>>>>       
>>>>> M
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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