Re: Engine Rebuild III
From: E M (pokiebarongmail.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:24:03 -0800 (PST)
stay way from tap water in the cooling system.

Ed
911SC

2009/11/30 <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>

> Hard water does that
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net>
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:13:23
> To: clyde<clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
> Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
>
> Make sure you check the coolant passages in the block and heads for
> porosity.  That massive mineral deposit came from somewhere.
>
> Michael James wrote:
>
> > Massive build-up of mineral deposits and corrosion in my engine led to
> > its overheating issues - the corrosion and deposits impeded the
> > coolant flow to the heads and block.  It is possible that a PO filled
> > the coolant system with pure water and then parked the car for
> > years.....allowing the water to do its damage.
> >
> > M
> >
> > --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >     From: Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net>
> >     Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> >     To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> >     Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> >     Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 11:40 AM
> >
> >     Danger, danger Will Robinson!  Using pure water for coolant will
> >     lead to
> >     cooling system corrosion.  The organic acids additive package in
> >     antifreeze provide a degree of corrosion protection and water pump
> >     seal
> >     lubrication.  If a car with a healthy engine and cooling system
> >     overheats during normal operation then the radiator capacity
> >     and/or its
> >     air flow needs to be increased. There a good ways to accomplish that
> >     using custom bits, and they're cheap by Ferrari price standards.
> >
> >     Ken Rentiers wrote:
> >
> >     >Michael something that helps there is to fill the cooling system
> >     with
> >     >just water  - a much more efficient heat transfer medium than the
> >     >typical 50-50 winter mix. Try it you'll be amazed.
> >     >
> >     >Sent from my iPhone
> >     >
> >     >On Nov 30, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Michael James
> >     ><cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com
> >     <
> http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cavallino_rapante [at] 
> yahoo.com>>
> >     wrote:
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >>My Driving was limited to mostly highway miles, no track time, and
> >     >>very-limited hard driving, certainly nowhere near redline or the
> >     >>limits of the car.  But I have had several excursions of very HOT
> >     >>driving, where speeds were low and engine temps were soaring.....
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>--- On Thu, 11/26/09, Tom Reynolds <kjtar [at] cox.net
> >     <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kjtar [at] cox.net>> 
> > wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>From: Tom Reynolds <kjtar [at] cox.net
> >     <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kjtar [at] cox.net>>
> >     >>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> >     >>To: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com
> >     <
> http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cavallino_rapante [at] 
> yahoo.com>>
> >     >>Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> >     <
> http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>>
> >     >>Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 6:11 PM
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>Michael,
> >     >>     What kind of oil were you using?  How long between changes?
> >     >>What kind
> >     >>of driving did you usually do?  What oil is he recommending for
> >     when
> >     >>the car
> >     >>is back on the road again?
> >     >>Tom
> >     >>Tulsa
> >     >>
> >     >>----- Original Message -----
> >     >>From: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com
> >     <
> http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cavallino_rapante [at] 
> yahoo.com>>
> >     >>To: <kjtar [at] cox.net
> >     <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kjtar [at] cox.net>>
> >     >>Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> >     <
> http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>>
> >     >>Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:54 PM
> >     >>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>My mechanic, David Feinberg, believes my choice in oil coupled
> >     with
> >     >>the heat
> >     >>did some serious damage - the piston rings scoured the cylinder
> >     >>liners, and
> >     >>vice-versa when the oil 'broke-down" from high-heat, and the
> >     >>bearings in the
> >     >>motor are all SHOT. The Cams and Crankshaft were spared, but the
> >     >>bearing
> >     >>sets have risen in price over the years....and so have cylinder
> >     >>liners. I
> >     >>also burned-through a piston. I also have all of the engine
> >     gaskets to
> >     >>replace (a whole-set of engine gaskets are $1,800, which include
> >     the
> >     >>head
> >     >>gaskets). All 16 exhaust valves are destroyed, along with 9 intake
> >     >>valves.....the previous valve job managed to 'nick' all of the
> >     >>valves and
> >     >>corrupt their sealing properties, so my compression/leakdown
> >     numbers
> >     >>were
> >     >>horrible across the board. I suppose I should be lucky that the
> >     >>Block and
> >     >>Heads were spared, but the internal 'bits' that have been roasted
> >     >>over the
> >     >>years....crap!
> >     >>
> >     >>Anywho, we'll have to sit-down and review what the way-ahead looks
> >     >>like.
> >     >>
> >     >>M
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net
> >     <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=MStark [at] Copper.net>>
> >     wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>From: Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net
> >     <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=MStark [at] Copper.net>>
> >     >>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> >     >>To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com
> >     <
> http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Cavallino_Rapante [at] 
> yahoo.com>>
> >     >>Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> >     <
> http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>>
> >     >>Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 4:40 PM
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>As Bill famously said, "I feel your pain." In my case a TR first
> >     gear
> >     >>repair, a crown gear carrier upgrade, and a ridiculously expensive
> >     >>throwout bearing replacement. Kind of like the restaurant price
> >     guide
> >     >>- $$$$$.
> >     >>
> >     >>Michael James wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>>Well, the good news is that the Block and Heads are NOT warped at
> >     >>>all. In
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>fact, we can re-use them with only minor machine work.
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>>And that's about the only good news I have......there was
> >     evidence
> >     >>>of a
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>previous valve-job done BADLY, and most all of the valves need
> >     >>replacement,
> >     >>along with the valve guides. I also need one new piston, all new
> >     >>piston
> >     >>rings, and here's the kicker - all new nikasil cylinder liners.
> >     Ted
> >     >>Rutlands
> >     >>was called, and he has NO QV engines 'on the shelf', so I'm stuck
> >     >>rebuilding
> >     >>my own engine. The parts bill will be steep....
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>>M
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
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