Re: Engine Rebuild III
From: clyderomero (clyderomeroworldnet.att.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:40:02 -0800 (PST)
Hard water does that
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-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:13:23 
To: clyde<clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III

Make sure you check the coolant passages in the block and heads for 
porosity.  That massive mineral deposit came from somewhere.

Michael James wrote:

> Massive build-up of mineral deposits and corrosion in my engine led to 
> its overheating issues - the corrosion and deposits impeded the 
> coolant flow to the heads and block.  It is possible that a PO filled 
> the coolant system with pure water and then parked the car for 
> years.....allowing the water to do its damage.
>  
> M
>
> --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net> wrote:
>
>
>     From: Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net>
>     Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
>     To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
>     Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>     Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 11:40 AM
>
>     Danger, danger Will Robinson!  Using pure water for coolant will
>     lead to
>     cooling system corrosion.  The organic acids additive package in
>     antifreeze provide a degree of corrosion protection and water pump
>     seal
>     lubrication.  If a car with a healthy engine and cooling system
>     overheats during normal operation then the radiator capacity
>     and/or its
>     air flow needs to be increased. There a good ways to accomplish that
>     using custom bits, and they're cheap by Ferrari price standards.
>
>     Ken Rentiers wrote:
>
>     >Michael something that helps there is to fill the cooling system
>     with 
>     >just water  - a much more efficient heat transfer medium than the 
>     >typical 50-50 winter mix. Try it you'll be amazed.
>     >
>     >Sent from my iPhone
>     >
>     >On Nov 30, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Michael James 
>     ><cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com
>     <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cavallino_rapante [at] 
> yahoo.com>>
>     wrote:
>     >
>     > 
>     >
>     >>My Driving was limited to mostly highway miles, no track time, and 
>     >>very-limited hard driving, certainly nowhere near redline or the 
>     >>limits of the car.  But I have had several excursions of very HOT 
>     >>driving, where speeds were low and engine temps were soaring.....
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>--- On Thu, 11/26/09, Tom Reynolds <kjtar [at] cox.net
>     <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kjtar [at] cox.net>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>From: Tom Reynolds <kjtar [at] cox.net
>     <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kjtar [at] cox.net>>
>     >>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
>     >>To: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com
>     <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cavallino_rapante [at] 
> yahoo.com>>
>     >>Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
>     <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ferrari [at] 
> ferrarilist.com>>
>     >>Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 6:11 PM
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>Michael,
>     >>     What kind of oil were you using?  How long between changes?   
>     >>What kind
>     >>of driving did you usually do?  What oil is he recommending for
>     when 
>     >>the car
>     >>is back on the road again?
>     >>Tom
>     >>Tulsa
>     >>
>     >>----- Original Message -----
>     >>From: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com
>     <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cavallino_rapante [at] 
> yahoo.com>>
>     >>To: <kjtar [at] cox.net
>     <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kjtar [at] cox.net>>
>     >>Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
>     <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ferrari [at] 
> ferrarilist.com>>
>     >>Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:54 PM
>     >>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>My mechanic, David Feinberg, believes my choice in oil coupled
>     with 
>     >>the heat
>     >>did some serious damage - the piston rings scoured the cylinder 
>     >>liners, and
>     >>vice-versa when the oil 'broke-down" from high-heat, and the 
>     >>bearings in the
>     >>motor are all SHOT. The Cams and Crankshaft were spared, but the 
>     >>bearing
>     >>sets have risen in price over the years....and so have cylinder 
>     >>liners. I
>     >>also burned-through a piston. I also have all of the engine
>     gaskets to
>     >>replace (a whole-set of engine gaskets are $1,800, which include
>     the 
>     >>head
>     >>gaskets). All 16 exhaust valves are destroyed, along with 9 intake
>     >>valves.....the previous valve job managed to 'nick' all of the 
>     >>valves and
>     >>corrupt their sealing properties, so my compression/leakdown
>     numbers 
>     >>were
>     >>horrible across the board. I suppose I should be lucky that the 
>     >>Block and
>     >>Heads were spared, but the internal 'bits' that have been roasted 
>     >>over the
>     >>years....crap!
>     >>
>     >>Anywho, we'll have to sit-down and review what the way-ahead looks 
>     >>like.
>     >>
>     >>M
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net
>     <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=MStark [at] Copper.net>>
>     wrote:
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>From: Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net
>     <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=MStark [at] Copper.net>>
>     >>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
>     >>To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com
>     <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Cavallino_Rapante [at] 
> yahoo.com>>
>     >>Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
>     <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ferrari [at] 
> ferrarilist.com>>
>     >>Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 4:40 PM
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>As Bill famously said, "I feel your pain." In my case a TR first
>     gear
>     >>repair, a crown gear carrier upgrade, and a ridiculously expensive
>     >>throwout bearing replacement. Kind of like the restaurant price
>     guide
>     >>- $$$$$.
>     >>
>     >>Michael James wrote:
>     >>
>     >>   
>     >>
>     >>>Well, the good news is that the Block and Heads are NOT warped at 
>     >>>all. In
>     >>>     
>     >>>
>     >>fact, we can re-use them with only minor machine work.
>     >>   
>     >>
>     >>>And that's about the only good news I have......there was
>     evidence 
>     >>>of a
>     >>>     
>     >>>
>     >>previous valve-job done BADLY, and most all of the valves need 
>     >>replacement,
>     >>along with the valve guides. I also need one new piston, all new 
>     >>piston
>     >>rings, and here's the kicker - all new nikasil cylinder liners.
>     Ted 
>     >>Rutlands
>     >>was called, and he has NO QV engines 'on the shelf', so I'm stuck 
>     >>rebuilding
>     >>my own engine. The parts bill will be steep....
>     >>   
>     >>
>     >>>M
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
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