Re: Engine Rebuild III
From: Martin Stark (MStarkCopper.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:26:40 -0800 (PST)
At $1.00/gal at my local supermarket distilled water is cheap liquid for cooling systems and batteries.

E M wrote:

stay way from tap water in the cooling system.

Ed
911SC

2009/11/30 <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>

Hard water does that
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-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:13:23
To: clyde<clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III

Make sure you check the coolant passages in the block and heads for
porosity.  That massive mineral deposit came from somewhere.

Michael James wrote:

Massive build-up of mineral deposits and corrosion in my engine led to
its overheating issues - the corrosion and deposits impeded the
coolant flow to the heads and block.  It is possible that a PO filled
the coolant system with pure water and then parked the car for
years.....allowing the water to do its damage.

M

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net> wrote:


   From: Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net>
   Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
   To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
   Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 11:40 AM

   Danger, danger Will Robinson!  Using pure water for coolant will
   lead to
   cooling system corrosion.  The organic acids additive package in
   antifreeze provide a degree of corrosion protection and water pump
   seal
   lubrication.  If a car with a healthy engine and cooling system
   overheats during normal operation then the radiator capacity
   and/or its
   air flow needs to be increased. There a good ways to accomplish that
   using custom bits, and they're cheap by Ferrari price standards.

   Ken Rentiers wrote:

   >Michael something that helps there is to fill the cooling system
   with
   >just water  - a much more efficient heat transfer medium than the
   >typical 50-50 winter mix. Try it you'll be amazed.
   >
   >Sent from my iPhone
   >
   >On Nov 30, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Michael James
   ><cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com
   <
http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>>
   wrote:
   >
   >
   >
   >>My Driving was limited to mostly highway miles, no track time, and
   >>very-limited hard driving, certainly nowhere near redline or the
   >>limits of the car.  But I have had several excursions of very HOT
   >>driving, where speeds were low and engine temps were soaring.....
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>--- On Thu, 11/26/09, Tom Reynolds <kjtar [at] cox.net
   <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kjtar [at] cox.net>> wrote:
   >>
   >>
   >>From: Tom Reynolds <kjtar [at] cox.net
   <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kjtar [at] cox.net>>
   >>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
   >>To: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com
   <
http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>>
   >>Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
   <
http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>>
   >>Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 6:11 PM
   >>
   >>
   >>Michael,
   >>     What kind of oil were you using?  How long between changes?
   >>What kind
   >>of driving did you usually do?  What oil is he recommending for
   when
   >>the car
   >>is back on the road again?
   >>Tom
   >>Tulsa
   >>
   >>----- Original Message -----
   >>From: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com
   <
http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>>
   >>To: <kjtar [at] cox.net
   <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kjtar [at] cox.net>>
   >>Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
   <
http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>>
   >>Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:54 PM
   >>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
   >>
   >>
   >>My mechanic, David Feinberg, believes my choice in oil coupled
   with
   >>the heat
   >>did some serious damage - the piston rings scoured the cylinder
   >>liners, and
   >>vice-versa when the oil 'broke-down" from high-heat, and the
   >>bearings in the
   >>motor are all SHOT. The Cams and Crankshaft were spared, but the
   >>bearing
   >>sets have risen in price over the years....and so have cylinder
   >>liners. I
   >>also burned-through a piston. I also have all of the engine
   gaskets to
   >>replace (a whole-set of engine gaskets are $1,800, which include
   the
   >>head
   >>gaskets). All 16 exhaust valves are destroyed, along with 9 intake
   >>valves.....the previous valve job managed to 'nick' all of the
   >>valves and
   >>corrupt their sealing properties, so my compression/leakdown
   numbers
   >>were
   >>horrible across the board. I suppose I should be lucky that the
   >>Block and
   >>Heads were spared, but the internal 'bits' that have been roasted
   >>over the
   >>years....crap!
   >>
   >>Anywho, we'll have to sit-down and review what the way-ahead looks
   >>like.
   >>
   >>M
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net
   <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=MStark [at] Copper.net>>
   wrote:
   >>
   >>
   >>From: Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net
   <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=MStark [at] Copper.net>>
   >>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
   >>To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com
   <
http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>>
   >>Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
   <
http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>>
   >>Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 4:40 PM
   >>
   >>
   >>As Bill famously said, "I feel your pain." In my case a TR first
   gear
   >>repair, a crown gear carrier upgrade, and a ridiculously expensive
   >>throwout bearing replacement. Kind of like the restaurant price
   guide
   >>- $$$$$.
   >>
   >>Michael James wrote:
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>>Well, the good news is that the Block and Heads are NOT warped at
   >>>all. In
   >>>
   >>>
   >>fact, we can re-use them with only minor machine work.
   >>
   >>
   >>>And that's about the only good news I have......there was
   evidence
   >>>of a
   >>>
   >>>
   >>previous valve-job done BADLY, and most all of the valves need
   >>replacement,
   >>along with the valve guides. I also need one new piston, all new
   >>piston
   >>rings, and here's the kicker - all new nikasil cylinder liners.
   Ted
   >>Rutlands
   >>was called, and he has NO QV engines 'on the shelf', so I'm stuck
   >>rebuilding
   >>my own engine. The parts bill will be steep....
   >>
   >>
   >>>M
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
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