Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Some No.... Michael Schumacher

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Amen!  IMHO, All the stuff that *seemingly* makes it easier for the driver 

to concentrate and *drive*, but,  in the reality of unintended consequences, 

actually means many drivers will use the new found freedom to do other 

things *besides* concentrate on driving.   So accidents will be worse and 

more often as people are sold MBs with radar to detect a car in front 

becoming too close and hit the brakes without any driver action.  So they 

read their newspaper and eat their cereal while the radar does the braking. 

;-)

So, I'm torn between liking what technology can do Vs.  seeing how lazy, 

stupid people will abuse it.

What do ya'll think?  Is there a fine line we're walking?

LarryT

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From: "philville dejazzd.com" <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:16 AM
To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Some  No.... Michael Schumacher

  All the technology in the world will do little to protect us from
  those who just don't get it, ....driving is a means to an end....start
  here go there......I still want to drive a car that demands that I do
  at least some of the thinking and reacting....
  Viva Ferrari
  Phil
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: TheMightyToe <themightytoe [at] gmail.com>
  Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:01 am
  Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Michael Schumacher
  To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
  Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
  > KR says:
  > But fear not; the German cars  have video cameras to use
  > backing up until mirrors are invented. They have vibrators in
  > the steering wheel that chide you when you prove incapable of
  > staying in your lane. They have forward-looking xray lasers to
  > part the waters when the road floods. And the tires are good for
  > 10,000 miles. Unless you get the run-flat option which rides
  > like Flintstone Rocktreads and cannot be fixed when punctured.
  >
  > Ken, you do realize that these exact "advances" are specifically
  > targetting the Houston area driver?  Flat perfect roads,
  > occasional
  > floods mixed with year round perfect conditions, and the worst
  > collective driving ability on the planet?  Seriously last
  > time I drove
  > there I saw some poor bastard on a Harley get taken out by a
  > lady in an
  > SUV on her cell phone, leaving a tollbooth.  Last time I
  > saw something
  > that horrible was on trip to India (where I imagine driver
  > training is
  > marginally better than Houston's).
  >
  > But on BMW's I agree, that company jumped the Shark back in
  > 2000.  My
  > E46 M3 was probably my last BMW, they just don't make a cool car
  > anymore.   MB has never appealed to me in any way, not
  > even their
  > "classics" which are below any standard set by their
  > contemporaries in
  > both looks and performance.  Who wants a car that lasts
  > forever if its
  > hideous and you have to look at it forever?  They drive
  > very solidly,
  > but have no soul whatsoever and really belong only in the hands
  > of a
  > retiree.  Porsche and Audi are about the only German car
  > companies
  > making interesting rides these days (I do like my VW GTI a lot,
  > but it
  > is a standout for VW's line of cars I think).
  >
  > Now here is something I pondered a few nights ago at the movie
  > theaters...   They played an add for Kia, and the ad
  > was not for a car
  > but for the company.  The pitch was how great and modern
  > their
  > manufacturing plant in the southern US was and how it provided
  > jobs for
  > American workers...  So if I analyze this?  What they
  > are actually
  > saying is it is cheaper for them to make cars in the deep south
  > of the
  > US than in Korea?  Wow.  Just wow and how sad for us
  > to be practically a
  > third world country in many respects...
  >
  > That said, a neighbor of mine has a Hyundai Genesis Sedan, and
  > it is
  > every bit as nice as a Merc S class.  Even looks like one a bit.
  >
  > Now what I really do not get, is how ANY car company could link
  > F1 to
  > their product line?  When have we seen any F1 tech in a
  > Mercedes if
  > ever?  Or a Renault, or a Toyota road car?
  >
  > BR,
  > Mike
  >
  >
  > Ken Rentiers wrote:
  > > Fellippe always enjoy your messages, but I have to disagree
  > with this one.
  > >
  > > It's certainly true that many of the old garden variety Benz's
  > were slow, and about as exciting to drive as, well, a bank vault
  > which is what they were built like. It is also true that many of
  > the latest iteration of MB and BMW products are crap.
  > >
  > > Due to the pressures of the Deutschland greenies much of the
  > current BMW line is now made of recycled plastic. This includes
  > the radiator. Given enough heat/cool cycles (oh say 50,000 miles
  > worth) the eco-plastic becomes as brittle as the peanut variety
  > of same, and cracks. Usually at the most inopportune time,
  > giving you about 30 seconds to shut down before the head warps.
  > >
  > > Did I mention they were as ugly as moose butts? Did I mention
  > they had no dipsticks? Onliest way you can check the oil level
  > is to drain it out and measure it!
  > >
  > > Crap. Idiocy. Obergruppenarrogance!
  > >
  > > But fear not; the German cars  have video cameras to use
  > backing up until mirrors are invented. They have vibrators in
  > the steering wheel that chide you when you prove incapable of
  > staying in your lane. They have forward-looking xray lasers to
  > part the waters when the road floods. And the tires are good for
  > 10,000 miles. Unless you get the run-flat option which rides
  > like Flintstone Rocktreads and cannot be fixed when punctured.
  > >
  > > Crap!!! - gimme the older, simpler cars that you drove instead
  > of rode in. The ones without bulbous snouts to meet new Euro-
  > regs about not hitting below the pedestrians' knees. Like the
  > ugly new 5 series. Don't cry for me Pininfarina - I got some
  > nice old iron I shall keep forever.
  > >
  > > Screw progress and while I'm at it HUMBUG!
  > >
  > > Except for you Fellippe - you're a good guy even if you do
  > latch on to a little misdirected opinion at times. My best to
  > you and yours and have a wonderful Christmas. All the rest of
  > you too, except those taken in by the Hollywood crap machine now
  > showing "Eco-smurfs v The US Marines" (Avatar). ##$%^&* tree-
  > hugging commies every one of them.
  > >
  > > :-)
  > > love and kisses
  > > the kenverine
  > >
  > >
  > > On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Fellippe Galletta wrote:
  > >
  > >
  > >> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 8:46 AM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>> Roger that...before they became plastic toasters?
  > >>>
  > >>> I'll take a 190E 2.3 16v and an AMG Hammer.
  > >>>
  > >>> LS
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >> Oh man.
  > >>
  > >> With some of you guys on here, it's like every civilian brand
  > needs to
  > >> maintain a 250 GTO like aura around their cars....ugh.
  > >>
  > >> Sure, MB of new isn't quite like MB of old but who seriously
  > wants a 190E
  > >> over a new E, S, CL, CLK, SL or CLS? LOL.
  > >>
  > >> A vintage Gullwing is a different story of course, and a
  > genuine AMG Hammer
  > >> or Porsche built E500 is worthy of consideration, but not all
  > garden>> variety Benzes made between 1980-1999. You seriously
  > want bulletproof, buy a
  > >> new Japanese car...done, end of story.
  > >>
  > >> I'll play along and be a good sport and say the '90s S Class
  > was the last of
  > >> the uber Mercedes Benz elite class. When comparing each
  respective
  > >> generation of S, this was easily the best, from the look, the
  > armored car
  > >> like construction, those dual pane windows, and the first big
  > HP V12 in the
  > >> 600...the quintessential Benz.
  > >>
  > >> Still wouldn't get it over the newer S's. You're buying an
  > >> expensive prestige sedan for the cachet/style/keeping up with the
  > >> joneses/etc first, everything else comes second. Anyone who
  > says otherwise
  > >> is clearly lying to himself or others!
  > >>
  > >> The '90s S or Miami Vice era S's no longer fit the bill....so
  > no point in
  > >> owning these maintenance nightmares unless it's for the
  > novelty factor and
  > >> short term. For that LS, you did it right with those BMWs!
  > >>
  > >> It's time to expose the (forty) 800 pound gorilla for what it
  > is! I don't
  > >> hate those older Benzes...still respect them....but to act
  > like they were
  > >> the only good cars from the factory is silly.
  > >>
  > >> FG
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Re: Some No.... Michael Schumacher	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: LarryT (l02turnercomcast.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:09:01 -0800 (PST)