Ferrari Mailing List: Technology in cars/Stupid drivers (was Re: Some No.... Michael Schumacher)

[kjtar (kjtar]

Larry and Gang,
     Driving home from work takes me anywhere from 25-35 minutes.  I get off 
around 5:00 P.M. so it's pretty dark when I leave our parking lot.  Invariably 
there are cars without their headlights on.  And, it's DARK.  How can that be?  
I know every once in a while I've wondered "are my lights on?" and I check the 
instrument knob.  Another thing that gets me is people who leave their turn 
signal indicators on after they've completed their lane change.  WTF?
Sigh.
All the best,
Tom in Tulsa

---- LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote: 
> Amen!  IMHO, All the stuff that *seemingly* makes it easier for the driver 
> to concentrate and *drive*, but,  in the reality of unintended consequences, 
> actually means many drivers will use the new found freedom to do other 
> things *besides* concentrate on driving.   So accidents will be worse and 
> more often as people are sold MBs with radar to detect a car in front 
> becoming too close and hit the brakes without any driver action.  So they 
> read their newspaper and eat their cereal while the radar does the braking. 
> ;-)
> 
> So, I'm torn between liking what technology can do Vs.  seeing how lazy, 
> stupid people will abuse it.
> 
> What do ya'll think?  Is there a fine line we're walking?
> 
> LarryT
> 
> OilAnalysis Time?
> Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters?
> www.youroil.net
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "philville dejazzd.com" <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:16 AM
> To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Some  No.... Michael Schumacher
> 
> >
> >   All the technology in the world will do little to protect us from
> >   those who just don't get it, ....driving is a means to an end....start
> >   here go there......I still want to drive a car that demands that I do
> >   at least some of the thinking and reacting....
> >   Viva Ferrari
> >   Phil
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: TheMightyToe <themightytoe [at] gmail.com>
> >   Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:01 am
> >   Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Michael Schumacher
> >   To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
> >   Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> >   > KR says:
> >   > But fear not; the German cars  have video cameras to use
> >   > backing up until mirrors are invented. They have vibrators in
> >   > the steering wheel that chide you when you prove incapable of
> >   > staying in your lane. They have forward-looking xray lasers to
> >   > part the waters when the road floods. And the tires are good for
> >   > 10,000 miles. Unless you get the run-flat option which rides
> >   > like Flintstone Rocktreads and cannot be fixed when punctured.
> >   >
> >   > Ken, you do realize that these exact "advances" are specifically
> >   > targetting the Houston area driver?  Flat perfect roads,
> >   > occasional
> >   > floods mixed with year round perfect conditions, and the worst
> >   > collective driving ability on the planet?  Seriously last
> >   > time I drove
> >   > there I saw some poor bastard on a Harley get taken out by a
> >   > lady in an
> >   > SUV on her cell phone, leaving a tollbooth.  Last time I
> >   > saw something
> >   > that horrible was on trip to India (where I imagine driver
> >   > training is
> >   > marginally better than Houston's).
> >   >
> >   > But on BMW's I agree, that company jumped the Shark back in
> >   > 2000.  My
> >   > E46 M3 was probably my last BMW, they just don't make a cool car
> >   > anymore.   MB has never appealed to me in any way, not
> >   > even their
> >   > "classics" which are below any standard set by their
> >   > contemporaries in
> >   > both looks and performance.  Who wants a car that lasts
> >   > forever if its
> >   > hideous and you have to look at it forever?  They drive
> >   > very solidly,
> >   > but have no soul whatsoever and really belong only in the hands
> >   > of a
> >   > retiree.  Porsche and Audi are about the only German car
> >   > companies
> >   > making interesting rides these days (I do like my VW GTI a lot,
> >   > but it
> >   > is a standout for VW's line of cars I think).
> >   >
> >   > Now here is something I pondered a few nights ago at the movie
> >   > theaters...   They played an add for Kia, and the ad
> >   > was not for a car
> >   > but for the company.  The pitch was how great and modern
> >   > their
> >   > manufacturing plant in the southern US was and how it provided
> >   > jobs for
> >   > American workers...  So if I analyze this?  What they
> >   > are actually
> >   > saying is it is cheaper for them to make cars in the deep south
> >   > of the
> >   > US than in Korea?  Wow.  Just wow and how sad for us
> >   > to be practically a
> >   > third world country in many respects...
> >   >
> >   > That said, a neighbor of mine has a Hyundai Genesis Sedan, and
> >   > it is
> >   > every bit as nice as a Merc S class.  Even looks like one a bit.
> >   >
> >   > Now what I really do not get, is how ANY car company could link
> >   > F1 to
> >   > their product line?  When have we seen any F1 tech in a
> >   > Mercedes if
> >   > ever?  Or a Renault, or a Toyota road car?
> >   >
> >   > BR,
> >   > Mike
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > Ken Rentiers wrote:
> >   > > Fellippe always enjoy your messages, but I have to disagree
> >   > with this one.
> >   > >
> >   > > It's certainly true that many of the old garden variety Benz's
> >   > were slow, and about as exciting to drive as, well, a bank vault
> >   > which is what they were built like. It is also true that many of
> >   > the latest iteration of MB and BMW products are crap.
> >   > >
> >   > > Due to the pressures of the Deutschland greenies much of the
> >   > current BMW line is now made of recycled plastic. This includes
> >   > the radiator. Given enough heat/cool cycles (oh say 50,000 miles
> >   > worth) the eco-plastic becomes as brittle as the peanut variety
> >   > of same, and cracks. Usually at the most inopportune time,
> >   > giving you about 30 seconds to shut down before the head warps.
> >   > >
> >   > > Did I mention they were as ugly as moose butts? Did I mention
> >   > they had no dipsticks? Onliest way you can check the oil level
> >   > is to drain it out and measure it!
> >   > >
> >   > > Crap. Idiocy. Obergruppenarrogance!
> >   > >
> >   > > But fear not; the German cars  have video cameras to use
> >   > backing up until mirrors are invented. They have vibrators in
> >   > the steering wheel that chide you when you prove incapable of
> >   > staying in your lane. They have forward-looking xray lasers to
> >   > part the waters when the road floods. And the tires are good for
> >   > 10,000 miles. Unless you get the run-flat option which rides
> >   > like Flintstone Rocktreads and cannot be fixed when punctured.
> >   > >
> >   > > Crap!!! - gimme the older, simpler cars that you drove instead
> >   > of rode in. The ones without bulbous snouts to meet new Euro-
> >   > regs about not hitting below the pedestrians' knees. Like the
> >   > ugly new 5 series. Don't cry for me Pininfarina - I got some
> >   > nice old iron I shall keep forever.
> >   > >
> >   > > Screw progress and while I'm at it HUMBUG!
> >   > >
> >   > > Except for you Fellippe - you're a good guy even if you do
> >   > latch on to a little misdirected opinion at times. My best to
> >   > you and yours and have a wonderful Christmas. All the rest of
> >   > you too, except those taken in by the Hollywood crap machine now
> >   > showing "Eco-smurfs v The US Marines" (Avatar). ##$%^&* tree-
> >   > hugging commies every one of them.
> >   > >
> >   > > :-)
> >   > > love and kisses
> >   > > the kenverine
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > > On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Fellippe Galletta wrote:
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 8:46 AM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> >   > >>
> >   > >>
> >   > >>> Roger that...before they became plastic toasters?
> >   > >>>
> >   > >>> I'll take a 190E 2.3 16v and an AMG Hammer.
> >   > >>>
> >   > >>> LS
> >   > >>>
> >   > >>>
> >   > >> Oh man.
> >   > >>
> >   > >> With some of you guys on here, it's like every civilian brand
> >   > needs to
> >   > >> maintain a 250 GTO like aura around their cars....ugh.
> >   > >>
> >   > >> Sure, MB of new isn't quite like MB of old but who seriously
> >   > wants a 190E
> >   > >> over a new E, S, CL, CLK, SL or CLS? LOL.
> >   > >>
> >   > >> A vintage Gullwing is a different story of course, and a
> >   > genuine AMG Hammer
> >   > >> or Porsche built E500 is worthy of consideration, but not all
> >   > garden>> variety Benzes made between 1980-1999. You seriously
> >   > want bulletproof, buy a
> >   > >> new Japanese car...done, end of story.
> >   > >>
> >   > >> I'll play along and be a good sport and say the '90s S Class
> >   > was the last of
> >   > >> the uber Mercedes Benz elite class. When comparing each
> >   respective
> >   > >> generation of S, this was easily the best, from the look, the
> >   > armored car
> >   > >> like construction, those dual pane windows, and the first big
> >   > HP V12 in the
> >   > >> 600...the quintessential Benz.
> >   > >>
> >   > >> Still wouldn't get it over the newer S's. You're buying an
> >   > >> expensive prestige sedan for the cachet/style/keeping up with the
> >   > >> joneses/etc first, everything else comes second. Anyone who
> >   > says otherwise
> >   > >> is clearly lying to himself or others!
> >   > >>
> >   > >> The '90s S or Miami Vice era S's no longer fit the bill....so
> >   > no point in
> >   > >> owning these maintenance nightmares unless it's for the
> >   > novelty factor and
> >   > >> short term. For that LS, you did it right with those BMWs!
> >   > >>
> >   > >> It's time to expose the (forty) 800 pound gorilla for what it
> >   > is! I don't
> >   > >> hate those older Benzes...still respect them....but to act
> >   > like they were
> >   > >> the only good cars from the factory is silly.
> >   > >>
> >   > >> FG
> >   > >> _________________________________________________________________
> >   > >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:
> >   > >>
> >   >
> >   http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/rentiers%40mail.c
> >   om>>
> >   > >> Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com
> >   > >> and F1 Headlines
> >   > >> http://www.F1Headlines.com/
> >   > >>
> >   > >
> >   > > _________________________________________________________________
> >   > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:
> >   > >
> >   >
> >   http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/themightytoe%40gm
> >   ail.com>
> >   > > Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com
> >   > > and F1 Headlines
> >   > > http://www.F1Headlines.com/
> >   > >
> >   >
> >   > _________________________________________________________________
> >   > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:
> >   >
> >   http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/philville%40dejaz
> >   zd.com
> >   >
> >   > Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com
> >   > and F1 Headlines
> >   > http://www.F1Headlines.com/
> >   Please visit .................
> >                    www.radnorconcours.org
> >     "The Concours d'Elegance at Radnor Hunt"
> >                  You will be glad that you did.
> >   And, of course, go to: .........www.PhilvilleUSA.com
> >
> 
> 
> 
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:
> > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/l02turner%40comcast.net
> >
> > Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com
> > and F1 Headlines
> > http://www.F1Headlines.com/
> > 
> _________________________________________________________________
> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:
> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/kjtar%40cox.net
> 
> Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com 
> and F1 Headlines
> http://www.F1Headlines.com/