Ferrari Mailing List: Re: 512BBRR

[Erik Nielsen (judge4re]

Last time I was in Jim's shop, I helped Sal put in a new throttle
cable in 0846. I think it came out of a Jegg's catalog.

On 8/16/10, Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> The hard-part is finding someone who has off-the-shelf parts that 'fit' -
> most of these vendors haven't been given specs for Ferrari applications, and
> there's not enough market-share for these folks to do it on their own R&D
> dime.  I would KILL for the day I can shop for Ferrari parts from a JEGS
> catalog, but we ain't there yet.  For a limited-production car, I doubt we
> ever will.  Oh, they'll take your money to custom-fabricate something for
> you...if you're James Glickenhaus and you're re-assembling a 330 P4 with
> 'blank-check' resources.  Who would spend that for a 308/328/348 that has a
> book-value of $40K?  Once some of these cars get 'broken' enough, they'll
> stay broke.  Just sayin'
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> --- On Mon, 8/16/10, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 512BBRR
> To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 9:59 AM
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> Michael, agreed, why would you put in junk?
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> Then again, for you what you're describing, top tier competition
> manufacturers like Moldex, Callies, Arias may indeed be overkill for your
> application. You may be okay sticking with OEM quality and have plenty of
> durability built in.
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> But, the point I was trying to make was that some of these aftermarket
> companies may be cheaper. The nice side effect is that the parts will be
> much better than OEM also...bonus! It's a win-win.
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> From: Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:41:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 512BBRR
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> We're having pistons/rings and such reproduced locally by ARP - they're
> better metallurgy and technology than OEM, and much cheaper.  But this was
> only considered AFTER extensive research, with all things considered.  It
> doesn't make much sense to get other things such as bearings 'on-the-cheap'
> from some of these fly-by-night aftermarket vendors.  You don't know what
> quality you're really buying, what specs/tolerances are being offered, or
> whether they'll hold-up to a high-performance application such as a
> Ferrari.  This ain't grandpa's Buick we're re-building here.....my engine
> will be built to better-than-factory specs, with more HP and torque (higher
> compression) but will have a 1-year Warranty on the engine.  I'm not getting
> a 'hand-grenade' from my mechanic.  He guarantees his work. BTW, he rebuilt
> his own Boxer motor - a 365 BB, with 12:1 compression on pump-gas.  He knows
> what he's doing.
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> --- On Mon, 8/16/10, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 512BBRR
> To: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 9:30 AM
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> Michael, are you doing a concours restoration?
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> If not, why not have the engine parts reproduced by domestic vendors?
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> Moldex did a reproduction crank for my old Cadillac for $3000. It was billet
> and was light years better in quality than 30yr old Ferrari pieces.
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> From: Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:04:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 512BBRR
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> Yup - and Labor is alittle less than 1/3 of the total cost...the rest is
> parts and machine-shop work.  Did you Magnaflux everyting?  Everything
> passed?  Who made your parts?  Then again, I have NIKASIL liners, perhaps
> you don't - they're not really re-usable, and you can't hone them.  When
> they're toast, you're looking for Mahle-Germany's phone number.
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> True story with Caribou: My mechanic takes 70 measurements to determine the
> suitabiltiy of a Crankshaft before he'll put it back in a car - Caribou took
> TWO measurements to determine that they had a 'good, used' crankshaft to
> sell me when mine failed Magnaflux testing.  A OEM Crank will cost you
> $2,300 or more (IF you can find one).  Caribou offered one they said was
> 'perfect' for $1,000.  They wouldn't guarantee it - my Mechanic was VERY
> leery of 'two measurements', so we twisted their arm to guarantee the
> crank.
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> What we got in the mail was, uh, 'less' than perfect.  But better than
> others, so we moved forward.  There was dirt/grit in the donor-car's oil,
> resulting in scratches on the Crank lobes that wouldn't polish-out.  The
> crank did pass Magnaflux, but we did end-up honing the Crank, and had to buy
> Vanderwall First-Oversize bearings ($hundreds MORE than standard-size
> bearings) to get consistency across all surfaces.  If Caribou is
> 'the-shiznit' when it comes to engine-building, why didn't they notice the
> scratches on the Crank lobes they sold me???  Yea, I wonder....
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> --- On Mon, 8/16/10, Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> wrote:
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> From: Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 512BBRR
> To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 8:21 AM
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> Really?? I had one done 2 years ago for $15kaus….for everything…pistons,
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> From: Michael James [mailto:cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, 16 August 2010 10:12 PM
> To: Peter Pless
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 512BBRR
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> Those numbers have to be low - Boxer-12 engine parts, even the fabricated
> kind, are near-double what 308 parts go for these days.  $30K buys you a 308
> engine rebuild now, BTW.  And that's with aftermarket (less expensive than
> factory) pistons for more compression, as this Boxer has.  Add
> porting/polishing the heads, flow-bench work, custom sodium valves, etc.
> that the 308-rebuild won't get.....More like $50K+ for the engine alone.
> Caribou isn't 'cheap labor', which is why they mentioned that this was done
> with a blank check and little restraint.
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> --- On Sun, 8/15/10, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 512BBRR
> To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 7:53 PM
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> Not sure, but I'd estimate this build up to be in the region of $50k
> including parts and labor.
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> The engine work must've been $30k at least...not cheap to mod Ferrari.
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> 100bhp over stock is legit though.
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> From: Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 1:56:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 512BBRR
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> On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:41 AM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.carobu.com/html/project_cars.html
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> Just in case anyone wanted to talk Ferrari today...
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> The BB in the link above looks positively delicious.
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> Indeed it very well does!!
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> Thanks Lashdeep for starting my sunday off right....
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> Question....any idea how much this project cost???
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> Having seen a ghetto 512BB in person and being somewhat impressed I could
> only imagine the street presence of this monster...
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> FG
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