Ferrari Mailing List: Re: F1 Rules

[LS (lashdeep]

Francis, fantastic info, thanks!

In Matchett's books, he states that many drivetrain decisions are made based on their effect on the total aero package.

Witness, the demise of the flat 12 config for Ferrari...where do you put the intake and exhaust??

LS

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From: stephen <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 3:14:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1 Rules

I am not sure, I just remember Mansel and Ferrari and Ferrari at the time seemed to have problems finishing a race.

I found this when I googled paddle shifters:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_transmission#History

 

Stephen

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From: LS

To: stephen

Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com

Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 10:37 AM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1 Rules

Stephen, wasn't a prototype automatic shifter tested by GV in '78?

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From: stephen <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Sent: Sun, December 12, 2010 11:36:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1 Rules

With regards to paddle shifters, when Ferrari introduced them (if I remember right Mansel was driving for Ferrari) and I said to my wife ''what are the thinking, first you have to finish the race, why would you want to add anther part to fail'. Apparently, Ferrari new what they were doing, engine failures went down and that was with drivers who knew how to shift.

 

As a side note I had a 79 928 that had lost it's synro between 1 and 2nd and had become accomplished double clutching in everyday driving. The year thet the Canadian GP was cancelled because of the beer wars, I took basic and advanced driving schools at Mt Treblant (Jim Russell), I can't remember a session that finished without exceeding the rev limit for that session.

I never exceeded it when accellerating and it was usually just once during a session but that was all it took for the max rev tel tell

to be set.

 

Stephen

 

 

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From: E M

To: stephen

Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 9:54 AM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1 Rules

With regards to ABS, I would agree 100%.  The current generation of ABS is sooo good, I don't think it really feels intrusive to the skilled driver.  Early systems were so-so, and cycled so slow.  Most people never go anywhere near the braking potential of their brake system anyway, even before ABS kicks in.  As for those few places were ABS may not work quite as well on paper, "like lose gravel", chances are, the vast majority of people who are driving in such a way on that type of surface where the difference is noticeable, are well on their way to crashing anyway.

Ed
911SC

On 12 December 2010 10:44, stephen <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

I agree with most of what you said.

When I was a programmer my goal was not to replace workers, but to allow workers to do a job that thet were not qualified to do.

Those who were quailfied benefited by not haveing to answer questions and show the newbees how. ABS benefits accomplished drivers the same way by reduced accidents happening to them by the less skilled. Sure there is and always will be 'overdrivers'

but I for one am glad the impact will be less with ABS.

 

Stephen

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From: E M

To: Stephen

Cc: The FerrariList

Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 3:48 PM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1 Rules

Nothing more satisfying to the driving enthusiast than a well executed h&t downshift!  Where 1/10 or 1/00th of a second count on a track, paddles made sense, as do anything that give an edge. As for road use, it's all BS.  They are nothing more than toys to make less than great drivers think they are race car drivers!  All they do, is instill a false sense of security in those lacking talent, and encourages them to do things in cars, they have no right to be doing!

Sorry if that's a bit harsh, but if you can't drive, paddles won't make you quick.  Changing a gear quick is one thing, but so is the proper line, braking point, turn in point, etc.  Paddles won't make up for a lack of skill in those areas, it will just make you fast at times you shouldn't be.

To many cars are being built today that are telling the drivers, "you're great", and not enough fellow car enthusiasts are telling their friends, "you SUCK", take it easy and get some proper stick time in!!

Ed
911SC

On 11 December 2010 16:34, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 3:18 PM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

Or F5000....hell bring back Can Am for some real BHP and driving.

This traction control, ABS and paddle shifting is for wimps anyways.

There's ABS in racing??

As for street use, it's ok.

Agree with traction control and paddles....I will never consider myself a great driver until I can click through some quality heel & toe downshifts at the track.

FG

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