Ferrari Mailing List: Re: F1 Rules

[francis newman (francis]

Hi Stephen

As with so much Wikipedia stuff, the article is actually wrong when it states 
that the initial Ferrari semi auto gear shift was designed by Barnard AND 
Postlethwaite..

Postlethwaite was indeed working at ferrari while Barnard was designing the 
paddle shift. However Barnard was working in England, and Postlethwaite was in 
Maranello where a rival faction  - totally opposed to Barnard's design - were 
secretly designing their own car. Eventually matters came to a head. 
postlethwaite left, Piero Ferrari was banned from the Gestione Sportivo and 
Barnard's design triumphed.

Postlethwaite's car  then largely formed the basis of the Tyrrell 018.

Incidentally, the original Barnard gearbox was non sequential. But when they 
realised the speed of gearchange they could achieve there was no sense in 
persevering with a more complicated design and sequential became standard fro 
F1 boxes

Best

Francis

On 13 Dec 2010, at 20:14, stephen wrote:

> I am not sure, I just remember Mansel and Ferrari and Ferrari at the time 
> seemed to have problems finishing a race.
> I found this when I googled paddle shifters:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_transmission#History
>  
> Stephen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: LS
> To: stephen
> Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 10:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1 Rules
> 
> Stephen, wasn't a prototype automatic shifter tested by GV in '78?
> 
> From: stephen <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com>
> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> Sent: Sun, December 12, 2010 11:36:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1 Rules
> 
> With regards to paddle shifters, when Ferrari introduced them (if I remember 
> right Mansel was driving for Ferrari) and I said to my wife ''what are the 
> thinking, first you have to finish the race, why would you want to add anther 
> part to fail'. Apparently, Ferrari new what they were doing, engine failures 
> went down and that was with drivers who knew how to shift.
>  
> As a side note I had a 79 928 that had lost it's synro between 1 and 2nd and 
> had become accomplished double clutching in everyday driving. The year thet 
> the Canadian GP was cancelled because of the beer wars, I took basic and 
> advanced driving schools at Mt Treblant (Jim Russell), I can't remember a 
> session that finished without exceeding the rev limit for that session.
> I never exceeded it when accellerating and it was usually just once during a 
> session but that was all it took for the max rev tel tell
> to be set.
>  
> Stephen
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: E M
> To: stephen
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1 Rules
> 
> With regards to ABS, I would agree 100%.  The current generation of ABS is 
> sooo good, I don't think it really feels intrusive to the skilled driver.  
> Early systems were so-so, and cycled so slow.  Most people never go anywhere 
> near the braking potential of their brake system anyway, even before ABS 
> kicks in.  As for those few places were ABS may not work quite as well on 
> paper, "like lose gravel", chances are, the vast majority of people who are 
> driving in such a way on that type of surface where the difference is 
> noticeable, are well on their way to crashing anyway.
> 
> Ed
> 911SC
> 
> On 12 December 2010 10:44, stephen <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with most of what you said.
> When I was a programmer my goal was not to replace workers, but to allow 
> workers to do a job that thet were not qualified to do.
> Those who were quailfied benefited by not haveing to answer questions and 
> show the newbees how. ABS benefits accomplished drivers the same way by 
> reduced accidents happening to them by the less skilled. Sure there is and 
> always will be 'overdrivers'
> but I for one am glad the impact will be less with ABS.
>  
> Stephen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: E M
> To: Stephen
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 3:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1 Rules
> 
> Nothing more satisfying to the driving enthusiast than a well executed h&t 
> downshift!  Where 1/10 or 1/00th of a second count on a track, paddles made 
> sense, as do anything that give an edge. As for road use, it's all BS.  They 
> are nothing more than toys to make less than great drivers think they are 
> race car drivers!  All they do, is instill a false sense of security in those 
> lacking talent, and encourages them to do things in cars, they have no right 
> to be doing!
> 
> Sorry if that's a bit harsh, but if you can't drive, paddles won't make you 
> quick.  Changing a gear quick is one thing, but so is the proper line, 
> braking point, turn in point, etc.  Paddles won't make up for a lack of skill 
> in those areas, it will just make you fast at times you shouldn't be.
> 
> To many cars are being built today that are telling the drivers, "you're 
> great", and not enough fellow car enthusiasts are telling their friends, "you 
> SUCK", take it easy and get some proper stick time in!!
> 
> Ed
> 911SC
> 
> On 11 December 2010 16:34, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] 
> gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 3:18 PM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> Or F5000....hell bring back Can Am for some real BHP and driving.
> 
> This traction control, ABS and paddle shifting is for wimps anyways.
> 
> There's ABS in racing??
> 
> As for street use, it's ok. 
> 
> Agree with traction control and paddles....I will never consider myself a 
> great driver until I can click through some quality heel & toe downshifts at 
> the track.
> 
> FG
> 
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