Ferrari Mailing List: Re: ferrari's in Italy

[Erik Nielsen (judge4re]

One of the reasons I went with my Mulsanne was it didn't have active
ride and most of the things can be rebuilt or serviced.  Hell of a lot
of car for under 10k. Went under 3k when I got the 450 SL. Even as I
enter my prime earning years, I seem to like things under the price of
a biz class ticket over the pond and end up paying the same to
service, why throw away capital...

On 8/15/12, Adam Green <FlatCrank [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> That's my recollection over the last couple of decades.  Market demand for
> aging status symbols is practically non-existant.  Sure, people buy a V12
> Jag, Roller, Bentley, S or 7.  Once.  Then they're "once bitten, twice shy"
> and you find enthusiastic buyers for the originally unloved diesels and
> small 8's at less than half their new replacement price.  They drive them
> into the ground and them the whole game starts anew with the tertiary
> owners all thinking how great it is to be in a prestige car only to find it
> still really has the same operating costs it had when it was new, only
> someone else has run down the deferred maintenance equity and someone has
> to balance that account.  It's just a matter of where you position yourself
> in that sequence.
>
>
> Adam
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:24 PM, <Britt2Asa [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>> Over here you can buy an older Bentley or RR for less than 5k. With the
>> price of fuel and the road tax nobody wants them! They are too big for
>> the
>> road, to big to park, cost around 200 dollars to fill up and won't fit in
>> your garage! All reasons these cars are so cheap. For the same reason a 7
>> series or A8 or S class merc loses 50% of its value in the first year (if
>> equiped with a V8 or V12) and the diesels are just behind. They just cost
>> to much to run, don't fit in your garage or on the roads. The people that
>> buy them new are almost always companies/chauffeurs ect who change cars
>> every 3 years or so and can deal with taking a big hit.
>>
>> A few years ago I bought an A8, for 3k, ran it for a year and did nothing
>> to it, didn't even service it and then sold it for 3k. was expensive on
>> the
>> fuel but a lot of car for the price of a 8 year old Ford Focus!
>>
>> BR in the UK
>> 1986 328GTS (LHD 89,940km) Died August 19, 2006 Shrewsbury UK
>> 1980 400i (RHD 74,000 miles)
>> Searching for the right 512TR
>> 1997 Fiat Barchetta
>> 1985 Bertone X1/9
>> 2003 BMW 530d
>> 1991 Alfa Spider S4 LHD Red
>> 1992 Alfa Spider S4 LHD Black
>> 1993 Alfa Spider S4 LHD Yellow
>> 2010 BMW 320d
>>
>>  In a message dated 15/08/2012 13:08:40 GMT Daylight Time,
>> cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com writes:
>>
>>   Finding a running Bentley or RR "on-the-cheap" is like finding a golden
>> unicorn.  People selling those cars have a certain attitude that makes
>> used
>> Ferrari sellers look somewhat congenial, and rational by comparison.
>> What's an additional $20K overcharge to your typical status-chasing
>> Blue-Blood?  A weekend of shopping at Barneys NY?  C'mon, folks - do they
>> even read NADA before writing a check for such a car?  NADA is for the
>> "little people", after all....  Don't get me wrong - If somebody 'gifted'
>> me a clean rolling-chassis, I'd stuff a used Ford Cobra motor into it in
>> a
>> heartbeat.  Glass-packs and all.  But I like to daydream.
>>
>> ...and don't get me started about local Govts that charge 'Property Tax'
>> for cars.  Granted, here in MA the Sales Tax for automobiles is capped at
>> $300.  BUT - their sliding-percentage rates for Automotive Property Tax
>> assessment has you paying MORE over your term of ownership than you would
>> have with an up-front Sales Tax charge, yet the Tree Huggers in Beacon
>> Hill
>> wonder why nobody is rushing-out to purchase the latest $35K+ 'green
>> cars'....maybe its because we can do the math.  Good thing my 308 QV is
>> over 25 years old, and according to the state of MA is 'worthless' - my
>> tax
>> on that is only around $150 annually.
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 8/14/12, Robert W. Garven Jr. <rgarven [at] gmail.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Robert W. Garven Jr. <rgarven [at] gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] ferrari's in Italy
>>
>> To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, August 14, 2012, 11:29 PM
>>
>>  Matt,
>>
>> Can you explain that more. In CA we only pay a state reg fee which is
>> 100$
>> for the Ferrari and 300 for insurance. The city charges nothing. I pay
>> all
>> my taxes and feel like it is an obligation to be a citizen
>> but it sounds like you are getting raped!
>>
>> Rob
>>     Robert W. Garven Jr.
>> rgarven [at] gmail.com<http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rgarven 
>> [at] gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>  "The Ferrari is a dream - people dream of owning this special vehicle
>> and for most people it will remain a dream apart from for those lucky
>> few."
>> Enzo Ferrari
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Aug 14, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Matt Boyd wrote:
>>
>> What Erik's referring to is my 1991 Turbo R that I doubt you could find
>> at
>> a dealer for over $20k.....and my city/locality is assessing its value at
>> $43k and taxing me about $2.5k/year as a result. No recourse for me (I've
>> tried and met with the commissioner of the revenue)....unless I take it
>> to
>> court. And based on VA state law, I'll lose. The only thing I could do is
>> convince NADA.com <http://nada.com/> that they are screwed in the head
>> publishing that a 1991 Turbo R is worth $43k, since the state says if a
>> "recognized published pricing guide" publishes a value, then that is what
>> you assess the car at for tax purposes....
>>
>> But I digress....
>>
>> -matt
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Erik Nielsen
>> <judge4re [at] 
>> gmail.com<http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=judge4re [at] 
>> gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Isn't your county already sticking it to you for your Bentley?  You need
>> to move further off the paved road, some of us are paying a lower
>> percentage than Romey...
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Matt Boyd
>> <ferrari308driver [at] 
>> gmail.com<http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ferrari308driver [at] 
>> gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>  I agree that we shouldn't feel sorry for tax cheats at all. I also don't
>> like the equivalent of racial profiling that would cause someone driving
>> a
>> car to be stopped just because they might be wealthy. But maybe that's
>> just
>> me...
>>
>> -Matt
>> '85 308
>> '39 RR P-III
>> '91 Turbo R
>> etc
>> PS-As an aside, if anyone is selling a good manual TDI Passat or Jetta at
>> $15k or hopefully way south of that, let me know....
>>
>>  On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Michael James <
>> cavallino_rapante [at] 
>> yahoo.com<http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cavallino_rapante 
>> [at] yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>    I'm supposed to feel sorry for tax cheats because they used their
>> ill-gotten money to buy a Ferrari?
>>
>> How about 'NO'...
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 8/14/12, Jo Pharris
>> <yokutya99 [at] 
>> yahoo.com<http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yokutya99 [at] 
>> yahoo.com>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Jo Pharris
>> <yokutya99 [at] 
>> yahoo.com<http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yokutya99 [at] 
>> yahoo.com>
>> >
>> Subject: [Ferrari] ferrari's in Italy
>> To: "Michael"
>> <Cavallino_Rapante [at] 
>> yahoo.com<http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Cavallino_Rapante 
>> [at] yahoo.com>
>> >
>> Cc: "The FerrariList"
>> <ferrari [at] 
>> ferrarilist.com<http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ferrari [at] 
>> ferrarilist.com>
>> >
>> Date: Tuesday, August 14, 2012, 10:06 AM
>>
>>   Enjoy,
>>   Jerry
>>
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