Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Ferrari Digest, Vol 97, Issue 39

[michaelmaulucci (michaelmaulucci]

Fan not working

There is a temp switch on the bottom of the radiator short it out and see if
the fan works.
I have a switch under the dash that is in parallel with the fan switch when
the temp gets to hot 
(radiator temp switch not working) TURN THE SWITCN ON!
Or just replace the temp switch!

Michael Maulucci EE
M-Tech Instruments

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Today's Topics:

   1. Fwd: 308 Turn Signals (was Re: Problem solved: engine dies
      suddenly, fuel pump ?) (Matt Boyd)
   2. Re: Solenoid Change on 512TR (Matt Boyd)
   3. Re: Fwd: 308 Turn Signals (was Re: Problem solved: engine
      dies suddenly, fuel pump ?) (Charles Perry)
   4. 308 engine stall resolution? (Mark)
   5. Re: Fwd: 308 Turn Signals (was Re: Problem solved: engine
      dies suddenly, fuel pump ?) (Stephen Sherman)


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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 07:43:06 -0400
From: Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com>
To: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>, Stephen Sherman
        <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: [Ferrari] Fwd: 308 Turn Signals (was Re: Problem solved:
        engine dies suddenly, fuel pump ?)
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 7:42 AM
Subject: 308 Turn Signals (was Re: [Ferrari] Problem solved: engine dies
suddenly, fuel pump ?)
To: Stephen L Sherman <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com>, Ferrari <
list [at] ferrarilist.com>


Allow me to hijack this thread briefly.

Your issue with the turn signals, can you elaborate? Or allow me to discuss
my issue and you tell me if this mirrors yours and then perhaps you can
explain exactly how you resolved it.

On my 85 308, sometimes (often) the signal indicators do not work. If I
fiddle with the hazard light switch, I can get them to work. Sometimes if I
turn the hazard lights on and then turn them off then the turn signals will
work again. If I put my finger on the hazard light switch while my turn
signal should be blinking but isn't, and if I apply a tiny bit of pressure
on that hazard light switch, it will make the signal light work while I
apply pressure. I have been under the assumption that I need to either clean
up or replace that hazard light switch in the center console.

Is this the same symptoms you had, and if so did you just say you found a
NAPA relay to replace the OEM relay in the fuse/relay box under the dash?

And on a tangential note, my next 308 project will be figuring out why my
cooling fans for the radiator, which are thermostatically controlled, don't
seem to be coming on anymore.

-Matt
85 euro 308 gts

PS-I just replaced my fuse blocks with Birdman fuse blocks but haven't run
the car since. I am pretty sure that won't fix the fans but I've had these
new fuse blocks for a few years and finally decided to go ahead and take
that ambiguity out of my diagnosis of this (and other future) issue(s).


On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Stephen L Sherman <
stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> I had a similar experience with the turn signal/hazard switch in 2005. 
> The turn signals worked Only when I did not need them. I would flip 
> the switch 30 times and the turn signals would work Then fail when a 
> semi was behind me and I was turning left.
> I tried to find a turn signal relay but NA was the standard answer.
> So I pulled the switch, cleaned it, rebuilt and replaced it NOS.
> Still failed, I tried several from NAPA until I found a turn signal 
> relay that worked, so much for yellow box with the horse on it.
>
> I still do not understand why the flipping the hazard switch would 
> make the turn signals ( I know it is in the hazard/turn signal circuit 
> ) work.
>
> Stephen
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 24, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Michel Savard <mysavard [at] videotron.ca> wrote:
>
> Unbelievable. All I had to do was take a piece of sandpaper and rub it 
> on the 5 legs. It started right away. I'll still find a new relay this
week.
> But I don't understand why that was the problem. The 5 legs looked 
> very very nice, all golden and nice ????
> I put a sandpaper in my tool box!
> Thanks Stephen!
> Michael Savard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Stephen Sherman <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com>
> *To:* Michel Savard <mysavard [at] videotron.ca>
> *Cc:* The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2014 8:17 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Ferrari] engine dies suddenly, fuel pump ?
>
>  Have you checked the RELAY?  It is H bottom left on the relay board.
> A couple of years ago mine did not start, did not hear the pump, I 
> checked the relay and it had carbon on it on the legs, I cleaned it 
> with Q tip in alcohol put it back in ad it has been fine ever since.
>
> Stephen
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Michel Savard <mysavard [at] videotron.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>  Problems again. First towing in 4 years. 1981 308 GTSi is running 
>> perfectly well. Going back home, red light becomes green, 1st gear, 
>> turn left and then woof! Engine dies. I rolled quietly to the next 
>> red light. We do have A LOT of red lights in Montreal. The light 
>> turns green, I turn the key, engine starts and dies right away, but 
>> I'm going downhill, so I put it in 2nd and clutch in clutch out, it 
>> starts for one second again and dies, keep rolling downhill take a 
>> right turn in neutral, try again to start it, it starts and then HUGE
backfire and dies again.
>>
>> I decided to play (switch relays) with the relay because there is a 
>> noise coming from the fuel pump relay. Try different relays that were
there.
>> Nothing. But at one point I clearly heard a "whistling" noise (as if 
>> air was coming out from somewhere) coming from the area of the fuel 
>> pump in the engine bay. Very strange and scary. That noise came when 
>> I put a relay, don't remember which one, in place of the fuel pump 
>> relay. I still tried to start it even if that whistling noise was 
>> scaring me. Nothing. I put the original relay back in and the 
>> whistling noise stopped. Absolutely no smell of gas at all. Fuel tank is
2/3 empty.
>>
>> Called the towing and parked it.
>>
>> Fuel pump was changed in november 2006 along with a used accumulator. 
>> The relay was changed in may 2011. It's saturday, can't talk to my 
>> mechanic until monday. And what's worse is I'm back at school (I'm a 
>> teacher) on monday. No more vacation, ne more free days to get the 
>> Ferrari to my mechanic whenever I want to.
>>
>> What do you think ?
>> If it's the fuel pump, any idea of the price ? (I paid $146.00 back 
>> in 2006.
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Michael Savard
>>
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 07:57:49 -0400
From: Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com>
To: Steve Jenkins <steve [at] stevejenkins.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Solenoid Change on 512TR
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I'm pretty certain I've shared this story before, but Steve your story
reminds me of it and I'll share again.

This story is from about 15 years ago when I had a leaky lower timing cover
gear on my 308. The first step in replacing the inner and outer bearings is
to remove the engine from the car and separate the gearbox from the motor.
That was beyond my skillset and budget, but Ric Rainbolt saved me and told
me if I drove from Virginia down to Dallas that he would help me do it in
his garage. So that's what I did, but isn't the point of this story.

Ric had recently acquired a TR. It looked pretty good but was a bit rough
around the edges mechanically. Two of the issues he was dealing with was
that same hot start problem with the starter solenoid and also a rough
running car that tended to stall when idling. So with that backdrop, here is
the image.

Ric was driving me around Dallas in stop and go traffic in this eye-catching
Testarossa, everyone watching. Several times when idling, it would finally
die and of course wouldn't restart. So I'd hop out of the passenger seat
with a hammer in my hand, Ric would pop the rear deck lid, I'd lift it,
smack the solenoid with the hammer (gently of course, but I'd embellish it
and make it look like I was really taking a swing at the motor), then he'd
be able to start it.

EOM

-matt


On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Steve Jenkins <steve [at] stevejenkins.com>
wrote:

> Changed out the starter solenoid on my 512TR Friday. Good think I 
> checked the part number on the installed one, rather than checking the 
> parts manual. Mine had a TR solenoid -- apparently slightly different 
> than the
> 512 TR one. It's obviously what they had in the bin when they built my 
> 1992
> 512 TR.
>
> Whole swap took 15 mins, and now i don't have the "hot start" prob 
> with my TR. :)
>
> WAI replacement version of the Bosch Part was $18 online.
>
> Gonna flush and replace the coolant next.
>
> SteveJ
>
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:06:32 +0000
From: Charles Perry <charles [at] carolina-sound.com>
To: Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Fwd: 308 Turn Signals (was Re: Problem solved:
        engine dies suddenly, fuel pump ?)
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Matt ?

Have you checked the grounds related to the turn signals? Electricity is
kind of like water in that it will find a way to get where it needs to go.
In the absence of a good ground, electricity can take a surprisingly diverse
path through other systems to get to the ground it wants.

Had a friend with a 308 who had similar problems with his wipers where they
worked sporadically and were affected by other seemingly unrelated systems.
Turned out to be a broken solder joint on the ground wire in the stalk. Took
a long time to find though since the symptoms didn?t really point to that.

-- charles

From: Ferrari
[mailto:ferrari-bounces+charles=carolina-sound.com [at] ferrarilist.com] On
Behalf Of Matt Boyd
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 7:43 AM
To: Charles Perry
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: [Ferrari] Fwd: 308 Turn Signals (was Re: Problem solved: engine
dies suddenly, fuel pump ?)


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Matt Boyd
<ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com<mailto:ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com>>
Date: Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 7:42 AM
Subject: 308 Turn Signals (was Re: [Ferrari] Problem solved: engine dies
suddenly, fuel pump ?)
To: Stephen L Sherman
<stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com<mailto:stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com>>, 
Ferrari
<list [at] ferrarilist.com<mailto:list [at] ferrarilist.com>>

Allow me to hijack this thread briefly.

Your issue with the turn signals, can you elaborate? Or allow me to discuss
my issue and you tell me if this mirrors yours and then perhaps you can
explain exactly how you resolved it.

On my 85 308, sometimes (often) the signal indicators do not work. If I
fiddle with the hazard light switch, I can get them to work. Sometimes if I
turn the hazard lights on and then turn them off then the turn signals will
work again. If I put my finger on the hazard light switch while my turn
signal should be blinking but isn't, and if I apply a tiny bit of pressure
on that hazard light switch, it will make the signal light work while I
apply pressure. I have been under the assumption that I need to either clean
up or replace that hazard light switch in the center console.

Is this the same symptoms you had, and if so did you just say you found a
NAPA relay to replace the OEM relay in the fuse/relay box under the dash?

And on a tangential note, my next 308 project will be figuring out why my
cooling fans for the radiator, which are thermostatically controlled, don't
seem to be coming on anymore.

-Matt
85 euro 308 gts

PS-I just replaced my fuse blocks with Birdman fuse blocks but haven't run
the car since. I am pretty sure that won't fix the fans but I've had these
new fuse blocks for a few years and finally decided to go ahead and take
that ambiguity out of my diagnosis of this (and other future) issue(s).

On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Stephen L Sherman
<stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com<mailto:stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com>> wrote:
I had a similar experience with the turn signal/hazard switch in 2005. The
turn signals worked Only when I did not need them. I would flip the switch
30 times and the turn signals would work Then fail when a semi was behind me
and I was turning left.
I tried to find a turn signal relay but NA was the standard answer.
So I pulled the switch, cleaned it, rebuilt and replaced it NOS.
Still failed, I tried several from NAPA until I found a turn signal relay
that worked, so much for yellow box with the horse on it.

I still do not understand why the flipping the hazard switch would make the
turn signals ( I know it is in the hazard/turn signal circuit ) work.

Stephen

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 24, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Michel Savard
<mysavard [at] videotron.ca<mailto:mysavard [at] videotron.ca>> wrote:
Unbelievable. All I had to do was take a piece of sandpaper and rub it on
the 5 legs. It started right away. I'll still find a new relay this week.
But I don't understand why that was the problem. The 5 legs looked very very
nice, all golden and nice ????
I put a sandpaper in my tool box!
Thanks Stephen!
Michael Savard
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Sherman<mailto:stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com>
To: Michel Savard<mailto:mysavard [at] videotron.ca>
Cc: The FerrariList<mailto:ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] engine dies suddenly, fuel pump ?

Have you checked the RELAY?  It is H bottom left on the relay board.
A couple of years ago mine did not start, did not hear the pump, I checked
the relay and it had carbon on it on the legs, I cleaned it with Q tip in
alcohol put it back in ad it has been fine ever since.

Stephen

On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Michel Savard
<mysavard [at] videotron.ca<mailto:mysavard [at] videotron.ca>> wrote:
Problems again. First towing in 4 years. 1981 308 GTSi is running perfectly
well. Going back home, red light becomes green, 1st gear, turn left and then
woof! Engine dies. I rolled quietly to the next red light. We do have A LOT
of red lights in Montreal. The light turns green, I turn the key, engine
starts and dies right away, but I'm going downhill, so I put it in 2nd and
clutch in clutch out, it starts for one second again and dies, keep rolling
downhill take a right turn in neutral, try again to start it, it starts and
then HUGE backfire and dies again.

I decided to play (switch relays) with the relay because there is a noise
coming from the fuel pump relay. Try different relays that were there.
Nothing. But at one point I clearly heard a "whistling" noise (as if air was
coming out from somewhere) coming from the area of the fuel pump in the
engine bay. Very strange and scary. That noise came when I put a relay,
don't remember which one, in place of the fuel pump relay. I still tried to
start it even if that whistling noise was scaring me. Nothing. I put the
original relay back in and the whistling noise stopped. Absolutely no smell
of gas at all. Fuel tank is 2/3 empty.

Called the towing and parked it.

Fuel pump was changed in november 2006 along with a used accumulator. The
relay was changed in may 2011. It's saturday, can't talk to my mechanic
until monday. And what's worse is I'm back at school (I'm a teacher) on
monday. No more vacation, ne more free days to get the Ferrari to my
mechanic whenever I want to.

What do you think ?
If it's the fuel pump, any idea of the price ? (I paid $146.00 back in 2006.

Thank you!
Michael Savard

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 07:19:46 -0600
From: "Mark" <misc [at] 308systems.com>
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Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: [Ferrari] 308 engine stall resolution?
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Did this issue get resolved?

Thanks

Mark 

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:20:11 -0500
From: Stephen Sherman <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com>
To: Charles Perry <charles [at] carolina-sound.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Fwd: 308 Turn Signals (was Re: Problem solved:
        engine dies suddenly, fuel pump ?)
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Yes your turn Signal issue sounds like mine, I solved it with a $10 turn
signal relay from NAPA or Autozone. I had the part number in wicker basket
on the kitchen counter and when I checked just now my wife tells me the
empties it out every year. In any case it is 0667BA, just checked, however I
just checked the autozone website and they don't show the that part # just
pull it and take it autoparts.

 Good luck Stephen




On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 7:06 AM, Charles Perry <charles [at] carolina-sound.com>
wrote:

>  Matt ?
>
>
>
> Have you checked the grounds related to the turn signals? Electricity 
> is kind of like water in that it will find a way to get where it needs to
go.
> In the absence of a good ground, electricity can take a surprisingly 
> diverse path through other systems to get to the ground it wants.
>
>
>
> Had a friend with a 308 who had similar problems with his wipers where 
> they worked sporadically and were affected by other seemingly 
> unrelated systems. Turned out to be a broken solder joint on the 
> ground wire in the stalk. Took a long time to find though since the 
> symptoms didn?t really point to that.
>
>
>
> -- charles
>
>
>
> *From:* Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+charles= 
> carolina-sound.com [at] ferrarilist.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Boyd
> *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2014 7:43 AM
> *To:* Charles Perry
> *Cc:* The FerrariList
> *Subject:* [Ferrari] Fwd: 308 Turn Signals (was Re: Problem solved:
> engine dies suddenly, fuel pump ?)
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Matt Boyd* <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 7:42 AM
> Subject: 308 Turn Signals (was Re: [Ferrari] Problem solved: engine 
> dies suddenly, fuel pump ?)
> To: Stephen L Sherman <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com>, Ferrari < 
> list [at] ferrarilist.com>
>
>   Allow me to hijack this thread briefly.
>
>
>
> Your issue with the turn signals, can you elaborate? Or allow me to 
> discuss my issue and you tell me if this mirrors yours and then 
> perhaps you can explain exactly how you resolved it.
>
>
>
> On my 85 308, sometimes (often) the signal indicators do not work. If 
> I fiddle with the hazard light switch, I can get them to work. 
> Sometimes if I turn the hazard lights on and then turn them off then 
> the turn signals will work again. If I put my finger on the hazard 
> light switch while my turn signal should be blinking but isn't, and if 
> I apply a tiny bit of pressure on that hazard light switch, it will 
> make the signal light work while I apply pressure. I have been under 
> the assumption that I need to either clean up or replace that hazard light
switch in the center console.
>
>
>
> Is this the same symptoms you had, and if so did you just say you 
> found a NAPA relay to replace the OEM relay in the fuse/relay box under
the dash?
>
>
>
> And on a tangential note, my next 308 project will be figuring out why 
> my cooling fans for the radiator, which are thermostatically 
> controlled, don't seem to be coming on anymore.
>
>
>
> -Matt
>
> 85 euro 308 gts
>
>
>
> PS-I just replaced my fuse blocks with Birdman fuse blocks but haven't 
> run the car since. I am pretty sure that won't fix the fans but I've 
> had these new fuse blocks for a few years and finally decided to go 
> ahead and take that ambiguity out of my diagnosis of this (and other
future) issue(s).
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Stephen L Sherman < 
> stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I had a similar experience with the turn signal/hazard switch in 2005. 
> The turn signals worked
>
> Only when I did not need them. I would flip the switch 30 times and 
> the turn signals would work
>
> Then fail when a semi was behind me and I was turning left.
>
> I tried to find a turn signal relay but NA was the standard answer.
>
> So I pulled the switch, cleaned it, rebuilt and replaced it NOS.
>
> Still failed, I tried several from NAPA until I found a turn signal 
> relay that worked, so much for yellow box with the horse on it.
>
>
>
> I still do not understand why the flipping the hazard switch would 
> make the turn signals
>
> ( I know it is in the hazard/turn signal circuit ) work.
>
>
>
> Stephen
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Michel Savard <mysavard [at] videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>  Unbelievable. All I had to do was take a piece of sandpaper and rub 
> it on the 5 legs. It started right away. I'll still find a new relay 
> this week. But I don't understand why that was the problem. The 5 legs 
> looked very very nice, all golden and nice ????
>
> I put a sandpaper in my tool box!
>
> Thanks Stephen!
>
> Michael Savard
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Stephen Sherman <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com>
>
> *To:* Michel Savard <mysavard [at] videotron.ca>
>
> *Cc:* The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2014 8:17 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Ferrari] engine dies suddenly, fuel pump ?
>
>
>
> Have you checked the RELAY?  It is H bottom left on the relay board.
>
> A couple of years ago mine did not start, did not hear the pump, I 
> checked the relay and it had carbon on it on the legs, I cleaned it 
> with Q tip in alcohol put it back in ad it has been fine ever since.
>
>
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Michel Savard <mysavard [at] videotron.ca>
> wrote:
>
> Problems again. First towing in 4 years. 1981 308 GTSi is running 
> perfectly well. Going back home, red light becomes green, 1st gear, 
> turn left and then woof! Engine dies. I rolled quietly to the next red 
> light. We do have A LOT of red lights in Montreal. The light turns 
> green, I turn the key, engine starts and dies right away, but I'm 
> going downhill, so I put it in 2nd and clutch in clutch out, it starts 
> for one second again and dies, keep rolling downhill take a right turn 
> in neutral, try again to start it, it starts and then HUGE backfire and
dies again.
>
>
>
> I decided to play (switch relays) with the relay because there is a 
> noise coming from the fuel pump relay. Try different relays that were
there.
> Nothing. But at one point I clearly heard a "whistling" noise (as if 
> air was coming out from somewhere) coming from the area of the fuel 
> pump in the engine bay. Very strange and scary. That noise came when I 
> put a relay, don't remember which one, in place of the fuel pump 
> relay. I still tried to start it even if that whistling noise was 
> scaring me. Nothing. I put the original relay back in and the 
> whistling noise stopped. Absolutely no smell of gas at all. Fuel tank is
2/3 empty.
>
>
>
> Called the towing and parked it.
>
>
>
> Fuel pump was changed in november 2006 along with a used accumulator. 
> The relay was changed in may 2011. It's saturday, can't talk to my 
> mechanic until monday. And what's worse is I'm back at school (I'm a 
> teacher) on monday. No more vacation, ne more free days to get the 
> Ferrari to my mechanic whenever I want to.
>
>
>
> What do you think ?
>
> If it's the fuel pump, any idea of the price ? (I paid $146.00 back in 
> 2006.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
> Michael Savard
>
>
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