| Re: Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Fellippe Galletta (fellippe.galletta gmail.com)
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| Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 05:00:10 -0700 (PDT) | |
Man, 4.0 liters is big boy territory.... You'd have one very fast 308 for sure. Also wouldn't go crazy for an ultra peaky response out of the motor with that displacement. I heard LS would do the upgrade and rebadge his car "408"....hehe. A little off topic: What about a 4.0 liter 348? :) FG On 9/5/14, Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com> wrote: > I really like the thread on f-chat of the guy in California that had Nick's > Forza Ferrari do a full workup on his 308 to include a 4.0L bore in his 308 > motor. I think they're finally putting the car on the dyno today, but it is > normally aspirated and "de-tuned" to approximately 440HP (computer > simulation). The real test will be on the real dyno. To do that requires > tons of additional work as detailed in that thread, but also requires tons > of additional $$ (the guy wouldn't answer the "how much" question but > concurred it was well over $50k). The curious part of all of it is that he > wasn't initially looking for all this power, but instead frustrated with > high levels of maintenance, and he was faced with a ~$25k rebuild due to a > failed head gasket and so he asked Nick how to make it more reliable. Part > of the upgrades is custom cam pulleys (and cam belt drive gears) to > incorporate modern cam belt technology which means normal 90k service > intervals. That would be almost as exciting as tire smoke....almost.... > > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:14 PM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Matt, my advice is to get a spare motor and go big...REAL BIG. >> >> 4.0 Liter, lighter con rods, crank, Motec, Electromotive or BIG WEBERS >> >> You will not regret it. >> >> Clyde's advice, as always, is good for reliability but when was that >> really a top concern? >> >> When was the last time you started your car and then took your shirt off >> and yelled "YEAH M-F'er....I JUST SUCCESSFULLY STARTED MY CAR!!!" >> >> Tire smoke all day... >> >> LS >> >> >> >> >> *central * >> >> *wines-spirits est 1934* >> >> >> *625 e street nw* >> *washington, dc 20004* >> >> >> *centralwines.com <http://centralwines.com/>* >> >> >> *facebook.com/CentralLiquors <http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors> * >> >> *202-737-2800 <202-737-2800>* >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com> >> >> *To:* LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> >> *Cc:* The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> >> *Sent:* Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:48 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Ferrari] Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor >> >> That's the crux of my discussion point. I already have the Euro car with >> all the fun cosmetic upgrades like the front spoiler, euro bumpers, >> driving >> lights, flash to pass lights, etc. I also already have the >> non-restrictive >> emissions (no cats). I also don't have the heavier bumpers or door >> reinforcments. I want to focus ONLY on the motor. >> >> If I put a US motor in my car, would I have to do any mods to make it >> work >> out of the box? If I put a US motor in my car, could I put my Euro cams >> into the motor with no additional work and make it identical to a Euro >> motor? >> >> -Matt >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 1:36 PM, LS via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> The Euro cars are lighter without a doubt which helps performance but the >> engine is quite different. >> >> The cam timing is much more aggressive and the exhaust is less >> restrictive. US vs Euro idle quality is like a race motor vs a Camry. >> >> LS >> >> >> >> >> *central * >> >> *wines-spirits est 1934* >> >> >> *625 e street nw* >> *washington, dc 20004* >> >> >> *centralwines.com <http://centralwines.com/> * >> >> >> *facebook.com/CentralLiquors <http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors> * >> >> *202-737-2800* >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> >> >> *To:* LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> >> *Cc:* The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> >> *Sent:* Thursday, September 4, 2014 7:17 AM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Ferrari] Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor >> >> You serious about the TR power difference? >> >> Wow, I never heard that. Pretty crazy. >> >> I think with 308s, it's possible that there's a healthy gap as well >> probably because of the smog equipment and how it was dealt with. At >> least >> on the carbureted cars....the injected shouldn't be too far off. >> >> And agree about the displacement. Now that a lot of equity has been made >> owning a 3x8 car, makes a lot of sense turning one into a 3.4 or 3.5 >> liter >> beast. >> >> FG >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 12:08 AM, LS via Ferrari <ferrari [at] >> ferrarilist.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> 10bhp is what Ferrari claimed was the difference was between the US and >> Euro spec TR. >> >> Felt like 50bhp in reality... >> >> If you are rebuilding already...why wouldn't you punch the displacement >> out a bit for more power?? >> >> LS >> >> >> >> >> *central * >> >> *wines-spirits est 1934* >> >> >> *625 e street nw* >> *washington, dc 20004* >> >> >> *centralwines.com <http://centralwines.com/> * >> >> >> *facebook.com/CentralLiquors <http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors> * >> >> *202-737-2800* >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Mark <misc [at] 308systems.com> >> *To:* LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> >> *Cc:* 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 3, 2014 1:02 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Ferrari] Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor >> >> Perhaps I am being crass, but the difference is only a claimed 10hp, >> which >> probably translates into 3-5hp. Not noticeable. Go for the best engine >> you can easily find. >> >> My .02, >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> *From:* Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+misc= >> 308systems.com [at] ferrarilist.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Boyd >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 03, 2014 10:59 AM >> *To:* Mark >> *Cc:* The FerrariList >> *Subject:* [Ferrari] Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor >> >> Just thinking out loud. >> >> My car has a Euro 308 motor and I'm glad to have that potential extra >> power. I need to replace rings in the motor, and as Clyde astutely >> pointed >> out, the labor of that type of job is likely to FAR outweigh the cost of >> getting a replacement long block and dropping it in. >> >> It is easier to find a US 308 motor, so if I were to purchase a US motor, >> what would I have to do to make it a Euro motor? Obviously I have my euro >> cams already and could drop them in if that's about all it took. How much >> more involved is this job f converting a US spec motor to Euro spec? >> >> -Matt >> '85 euro 308 >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/lashdeep%40yahoo.com >> >> Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com >> and F1 Headlines >> http://www.F1Headlines.com/ <http://www.f1headlines.com/> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> >> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/fellippe.galletta%40gmail.com >> >> Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com >> and F1 Headlines >> http://www.F1Headlines.com/ <http://www.f1headlines.com/> >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> >> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/ferrari308driver%40gmail.com >> >> Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com >> and F1 Headlines >> http://www.F1Headlines.com/ <http://www.f1headlines.com/> >> >> >> >> >> >
- Re: Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor, (continued)
- Re: Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor Clyde Romero, September 4 2014
- Re: Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor Doug & Terri, September 4 2014
- Re: Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor Doug & Terri, September 4 2014
- Re: Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor Doug & Terri, September 4 2014
- Re: Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor Fellippe Galletta, September 5 2014
- Re: Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor LS, September 5 2014
- Re: Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor Sport Classic Comp, September 5 2014
- Re: Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor Matt Boyd, September 5 2014
- Re: Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor Doug & Terri, September 5 2014
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