Man, 4.0 liters is big boy territory....
You'd have one very fast 308 for sure.
Also wouldn't go crazy for an ultra peaky response
out of the motor
with that displacement.
I heard LS would do the upgrade and rebadge his car
"408"....hehe.
A little off topic:
What about a 4.0 liter 348? :)
FG
On 9/5/14, Matt Boyd <
ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com>
wrote:
> I really like the thread on f-chat of the guy in
California that had Nick's
> Forza Ferrari do a full workup
on his 308 to include a 4.0L bore in his 308
> motor. I think
they're finally putting the car on the dyno today, but it is
> normally aspirated and "de-tuned" to approximately 440HP
(computer
> simulation). The real test will be on the real
dyno. To do that requires
> tons of additional work as
detailed in that thread, but also requires tons
> of
additional $$ (the guy wouldn't answer the "how much" question but
> concurred it was well over $50k). The curious part of all of
it is that he
> wasn't initially looking for all this power,
but instead frustrated with
> high levels of maintenance, and
he was faced with a ~$25k rebuild due to a
> failed head
gasket and so he asked Nick how to make it more reliable. Part
> of the upgrades is custom cam pulleys (and cam belt drive
gears) to
> incorporate modern cam belt technology which
means normal 90k service
> intervals. That would be almost as
exciting as tire smoke....almost....
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:14 PM, LS <
lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Matt, my advice is to get a spare motor
and go big...REAL BIG.
>>
>> 4.0
Liter, lighter con rods, crank, Motec, Electromotive or BIG WEBERS
>>
>> You will not regret it.
>>
>> Clyde's advice, as always, is good
for reliability but when was that
>> really a top
concern?
>>
>> When was the last time
you started your car and then took your shirt off
>> and
yelled "YEAH M-F'er....I JUST SUCCESSFULLY STARTED MY CAR!!!"
>>
>> Tire smoke all day...
>>
>> LS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *central *
>>
>>
*wines-spirits est 1934*
>>
>>
>> *625 e street nw*
>> *washington, dc 20004*
>>
>>
>> *centralwines.com <
http://centralwines.com/>*
>>
>>
>> *facebook.com/CentralLiquors <
http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors> *
>>
>> *202-737-2800
<202-737-2800>*
>>
>>
>>
>>
------------------------------
>> *From:* Matt Boyd
<
ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com>
>>
>> *To:* LS <
lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
>> *Cc:* The FerrariList <
ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:48 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ferrari] Converting
a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor
>>
>> That's the crux of my discussion point. I already have the
Euro car with
>> all the fun cosmetic upgrades like the
front spoiler, euro bumpers,
>> driving
>> lights, flash to pass lights, etc. I also already have
the
>> non-restrictive
>> emissions
(no cats). I also don't have the heavier bumpers or door
>> reinforcments. I want to focus ONLY on the motor.
>>
>> If I put a US motor in my car,
would I have to do any mods to make it
>> work
>> out of the box? If I put a US motor in my car, could I put
my Euro cams
>> into the motor with no additional work and
make it identical to a Euro
>> motor?
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 1:36 PM, LS
via Ferrari <
ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The Euro cars are lighter without a
doubt which helps performance but the
>> engine is quite
different.
>>
>> The cam timing is
much more aggressive and the exhaust is less
>>
restrictive. US vs Euro idle quality is like a race motor vs a Camry.
>>
>> LS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *central *
>>
>>
*wines-spirits est 1934*
>>
>>
>> *625 e street nw*
>> *washington, dc 20004*
>>
>>
>> *centralwines.com <
http://centralwines.com/> *
>>
>>
>> *facebook.com/CentralLiquors <
http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors> *
>>
>> *202-737-2800*
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Fellippe Galletta <
fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
>>
>> *To:* LS <
lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
>> *Cc:* The FerrariList <
ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 4, 2014 7:17 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ferrari] Converting
a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor
>>
>> You serious about the TR power difference?
>>
>> Wow, I never heard that. Pretty
crazy.
>>
>> I think with 308s, it's
possible that there's a healthy gap as well
>> probably
because of the smog equipment and how it was dealt with. At
>> least
>> on the carbureted cars....the
injected shouldn't be too far off.
>>
>> And agree about the displacement. Now that a lot of equity
has been made
>> owning a 3x8 car, makes a lot of sense
turning one into a 3.4 or 3.5
>> liter
>> beast.
>>
>> FG
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep
4, 2014 at 12:08 AM, LS via Ferrari <
ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 10bhp is what Ferrari claimed was
the difference was between the US and
>> Euro spec TR.
>>
>> Felt like 50bhp in reality...
>>
>> If you are rebuilding already...why
wouldn't you punch the displacement
>> out a bit for more
power??
>>
>> LS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *central *
>>
>> *wines-spirits est 1934*
>>
>>
>> *625 e
street nw*
>> *washington, dc 20004*
>>
>>
>>
*centralwines.com <
http://centralwines.com/> *
>>
>>
>> *facebook.com/CentralLiquors <
http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors> *
>>
>> *202-737-2800*
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Mark <
misc [at] 308systems.com>
>> *To:* LS <
lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
>> *Cc:* 'The FerrariList' <
ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 3, 2014 1:02 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ferrari] Converting a US 308 motor to a
Euro 308 motor
>>
>> Perhaps I am
being crass, but the difference is only a claimed 10hp,
>>
which
>> probably translates into 3-5hp. Not
noticeable. Go for the best engine
>> you can easily
find.
>>
>> My .02,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:*
Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+misc=
>>
308systems.com [at] ferrarilist.com]
*On Behalf Of *Matt Boyd
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September
03, 2014 10:59 AM
>> *To:* Mark
>>
*Cc:* The FerrariList
>> *Subject:* [Ferrari] Converting a
US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor
>>
>>
Just thinking out loud.
>>
>> My car
has a Euro 308 motor and I'm glad to have that potential extra
>> power. I need to replace rings in the motor, and as Clyde
astutely
>> pointed
>> out, the labor
of that type of job is likely to FAR outweigh the cost of
>> getting a replacement long block and dropping it in.
>>
>> It is easier to find a US 308
motor, so if I were to purchase a US motor,
>> what would
I have to do to make it a Euro motor? Obviously I have my euro
>> cams already and could drop them in if that's about all it
took. How much
>> more involved is this job f converting a
US spec motor to Euro spec?
>>
>>
-Matt
>> '85 euro 308
>>
>>
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