Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor

[LS (lashdeep]

Yes I prob would on the license plate!

Matt, go big...

I don't know if Clyde was joking with the stock/reliability stuff. My Mom did agree with that though!

:)

It's a red Ferrari...floor it!

I really hope Clyde has the heads redone on his new motor before he puts them back on.

LS

 

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From: Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor

Man, 4.0 liters is big boy territory....

You'd have one very fast 308 for sure.

Also wouldn't go crazy for an ultra peaky response out of the motor
with that displacement.

I heard LS would do the upgrade and rebadge his car "408"....hehe.

A little off topic:

What about a 4.0 liter 348? :)

FG

On 9/5/14, Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> I really like the thread on f-chat of the guy in California that had Nick's
> Forza Ferrari do a full workup on his 308 to include a 4.0L bore in his 308
> motor. I think they're finally putting the car on the dyno today, but it is
> normally aspirated and "de-tuned" to approximately 440HP (computer
> simulation). The real test will be on the real dyno. To do that requires
> tons of additional work as detailed in that thread, but also requires tons
> of additional $$ (the guy wouldn't answer the "how much" question but
> concurred it was well over $50k). The curious part of all of it is that he
> wasn't initially looking for all this power, but instead frustrated with
> high levels of maintenance, and he was faced with a ~$25k rebuild due to a
> failed head gasket and so he asked Nick how to make it more reliable. Part
> of the upgrades is custom cam pulleys (and cam belt drive gears) to
> incorporate modern cam belt technology which means normal 90k service
> intervals. That would be almost as exciting as tire smoke....almost....
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:14 PM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Matt, my advice is to get a spare motor and go big...REAL BIG.
>>
>> 4.0 Liter, lighter con rods, crank, Motec, Electromotive or BIG WEBERS
>>
>> You will not regret it.
>>
>> Clyde's advice, as always, is good for reliability but when was that
>> really a top concern?
>>
>> When was the last time you started your car and then took your shirt off
>> and yelled "YEAH M-F'er....I JUST SUCCESSFULLY STARTED MY CAR!!!"
>>
>> Tire smoke all day...
>>
>> LS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *central *
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>> *wines-spirits  est 1934*
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>> *625 e street nw*
>> *washington, dc 20004*
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>>  ------------------------------
>>  *From:* Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com>
>>
>> *To:* LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
>> *Cc:* The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:48 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ferrari] Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor
>>
>> That's the crux of my discussion point. I already have the Euro car with
>> all the fun cosmetic upgrades like the front spoiler, euro bumpers,
>> driving
>> lights, flash to pass lights, etc. I also already have the
>> non-restrictive
>> emissions (no cats). I also don't have the heavier bumpers or door
>> reinforcments. I want to focus ONLY on the motor.
>>
>> If I put a US motor in my car, would I have to do any mods to make it
>> work
>> out of the box? If I put a US motor in my car, could I put my Euro cams
>> into the motor with no additional work and make it identical to a Euro
>> motor?
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 1:36 PM, LS via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The Euro cars are lighter without a doubt which helps performance but the
>> engine is quite different.
>>
>> The cam timing is much more aggressive and the exhaust is less
>> restrictive. US vs Euro idle quality is like a race motor vs a Camry.
>>
>> LS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *central *
>>
>> *wines-spirits  est 1934*
>>
>>
>> *625 e street nw*
>> *washington, dc 20004*
>>
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>>
>> *facebook.com/CentralLiquors <http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors> *
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>>  ------------------------------
>>  *From:* Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
>>
>> *To:* LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
>> *Cc:* The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 4, 2014 7:17 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ferrari] Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor
>>
>> You serious about the TR power difference?
>>
>> Wow, I never heard that. Pretty crazy.
>>
>> I think with 308s, it's possible that there's a healthy gap as well
>> probably because of the smog equipment and how it was dealt with. At
>> least
>> on the carbureted cars....the injected shouldn't be too far off.
>>
>> And agree about the displacement. Now that a lot of equity has been made
>> owning a 3x8 car, makes a lot of sense turning one into a 3.4 or 3.5
>> liter
>> beast.
>>
>> FG
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 12:08 AM, LS via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 10bhp is what Ferrari claimed was the difference was between the US and
>> Euro spec TR.
>>
>> Felt like 50bhp in reality...
>>
>> If you are rebuilding already...why wouldn't you punch the displacement
>> out a bit for more power??
>>
>> LS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *central *
>>
>> *wines-spirits  est 1934*
>>
>>
>> *625 e street nw*
>> *washington, dc 20004*
>>
>>
>> *centralwines.com <http://centralwines.com/> *
>>
>>
>> *facebook.com/CentralLiquors <http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors> *
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>>
>>  ------------------------------
>>  *From:* Mark <misc [at] 308systems.com>
>> *To:* LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
>> *Cc:* 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 3, 2014 1:02 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ferrari] Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor
>>
>> Perhaps I am being crass, but the difference is only a claimed 10hp,
>> which
>> probably translates into 3-5hp.  Not noticeable.  Go for the best engine
>> you can easily find.
>>
>> My .02,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+misc=
>> 308systems.com [at] ferrarilist.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Boyd
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 03, 2014 10:59 AM
>> *To:* Mark
>> *Cc:* The FerrariList
>> *Subject:* [Ferrari] Converting a US 308 motor to a Euro 308 motor
>>
>> Just thinking out loud.
>>
>> My car has a Euro 308 motor and I'm glad to have that potential extra
>> power. I need to replace rings in the motor, and as Clyde astutely
>> pointed
>> out, the labor of that type of job is likely to FAR outweigh the cost of
>> getting a replacement long block and dropping it in.
>>
>> It is easier to find a US 308 motor, so if I were to purchase a US motor,
>> what would I have to do to make it a Euro motor? Obviously I have my euro
>> cams already and could drop them in if that's about all it took. How much
>> more involved is this job f converting a US spec motor to Euro spec?
>>
>> -Matt
>> '85 euro 308
>>
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