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From: tomgua [at] netzero.com (tomgua netzero.com)
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| Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 19:24:27 -0700 (PDT) | |
Other than the engine being behind the driver making leaking gas smells less
evident than a front engine car, I don't see the carbed 308 any more prone to
engine fires than any other carbed car. The CIS injected cars with brittle
injection lines are a more likely candidate for an engine fire.
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To: Tom Guadagni <tomgua [at] netzero.com>
Subject: Ferrari Digest, Vol 99, Issue 7
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 08:15:54 -0700
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 16:15:39 +0100
From: Britt2Asa <britt2asa [at] aol.com>
To: Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest, Vol 98, Issue 85
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I don't know anybody here in the UK who would say maintenance on an Esprit is
cheap! Than again a full cambelt service on a 328 here is 800 - 1200.00 pounds
for quality work and you guys pay HOW Much in the USA for the same?
I never could figure out the service costs in the US for Ferraris but maybe it
is as simple as supply and demand. There are a ton of very good quality Ferrari
people in the
UK and that means lots of competition and not having to drive very far......
Regards
Britt
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> On 1 Oct 2014, at 12:25, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm sure somebody would say it isn't, and the reverse is true of a 328.....
>
> Maintenance risk in the eye of the beholder. :)
>
> FG
>
>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at]
>> bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> The maintenance on that car is staggering
>>
>> Clyde Romero
>>
>> In Victory you deserve Champagne
>> In Defeat You Need It!
>>
>> If you obey all the rules
>> You miss all the fun !
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 6:49 AM, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at]
>>> gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> An '04 Lotus Esprit Turbo V8 going for mid 30s looks to be a damn fine
>>> bargain right now....
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> FG
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at]
>>>> bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>> Wade sells Ferraris
>>>> All people in prison are innocent!
>>>> Do you see the similarities ?
>>>> It's just like the Porsche crowd going crazy for air cooled cars, paying
>>>> stupid money no less
>>>> Spend 6 figure money for a shit box that leaks oil
>>>> What next Russian ZIL's? Yugos ?
>>>> Is there a room somewhere on this planet where whomever goes and turns a
>>>> knob and says"this is the next big thing" shades of tickle me Elmo craze
>>>> many years back and the cabbage patch dolls!
>>>> Please
>>>> They are cars Period end of statement and the 308 carb one was one the
>>>> worst !
>>>> It was like the Apollo capsule, it liked to catch fire!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In victory you deserve Champagne
>>>> In defeat you need it!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Scars are Tattoos with better stories !
>>>>
>>>> If you follow all the rules
>>>> You miss all the fun!
>>>>
>>>> Clyde Romero
>>>> Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net.
>>>> 678 6419932
>>>>
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>>>>> On Sep 30, 2014, at 11:05 PM, Dennis Burleson <d_burles [at]
>>>>> bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wade says his '85 308 Qv has an "agreed upon price" of $80K with Hagerty.
>>>>> I think I have seen this car, and I would agree. $80K would be a low
>>>>> number to replace this car "as is" in its current state of condition.
>>>>> That said, I would suppose a substantial amount of documentation would be
>>>>> required to justify this agreement with the bean counters at Hagerty.
>>>>>
>>>>> A recent "news report" from Yahoo says that the next cars to stash away
>>>>> are the mid to late '80s TRs. ( heads up for Clyde). This leads me to
>>>>> believe that the 308 series are next in line for speculation (read:
>>>>> profits). Wade says that 308 profits are at least 20 to 30 years out. I
>>>>> just spent 383 days and about $15K in parts in a mechanical "re
>>>>> freshening." Original paint, otherwise it's ready to drive, and drive it
>>>>> I will. My Hagerty agreed upon value currently is $35K. This is more
>>>>> along the train of thought that Clyde alludes to.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I have often said, "you take an old car and fix it up, and what do you
>>>>> have? A fixed up old car."
>>>>> Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.
>>>>> Way back when, who'd thunk that $3,000 was crazy for an old worn out 250
>>>>> GTO?
>>>>> I'm gonna pass this car on to my 18 year old son. I'll be working on
>>>>> Ferraris for Jesus in 20 years, so I won't be "here" to see what happens
>>>>> in the speculative sport of Ferrari ownership. Paying it forward, I
>>>>> suppose.
>>>>>
>>>>> My humble 2 pennies.
>>>>> DB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:01 PM, "ferrari-request [at]
>>>>> ferrarilist.com" <ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com> wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Re: Hagerty 328 Valuation (Doug & Terri)
>>>>> 2. Re: Hagerty 328 Valuation (Clyde Romero)
>>>>> 3. Re: 456 issues (David)
>>>>> 4. Re: Hagerty 328 Valuation (LS)
>>>>> 5. Re: 456 issues (Clyde Romero)
>>>>> 6. Re: 456 issues (LarryT)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 07:55:22 -0700
>>>>> From: "Doug & Terri" <dnt [at] dock.net>
>>>>> To: "'Bob Ochsman'" <ochsman [at] gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Hagerty 328 Valuation
>>>>> Message-ID: <001901cfdcbe$8f874e60$ae95eb20$@dock.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob notes ?Hagerty refused yesterday to place a declared value of $70,000
>>>>> on my '88 328 GTS - 30,000 miles.?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Drat ? that?s a cold shot Bob. Well, Hagerty does evaluate a #2 car (a
>>>>> previous #1 Pebble Beach winner) with quite a high set of standards. An
>>>>> average value for a 328 between $45,000 and $59,725. Mix that in with
>>>>> the actuary?s tables (I knew an actuary once ? boring fellow who spent
>>>>> his time memorizing random digit tables and phone books) and they arrive
>>>>> at a risk they are willing to accept. Add to the mix where you live.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Since they usually only have your pictures they requested and your
>>>>> self-evaluation they draw up their underwriting conclusions. Yea or nay.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> SO ? what I tell my associates ? enter your car in a concours or ANY
>>>>> graded car show. Most likely the numerical grade would place a fine car
>>>>> in the upper reaches of the chart and it IS a grade by LEARNED judges
>>>>> with their eyes ON your very car. Fact is ? because judges are human
>>>>> (most are, really) they even have a tendency to rate, um, middlin? cars
>>>>> higher than they should be ? after all, you don?t want to crush the poor
>>>>> owner?s heart ? but the car is out of contention for a trophy. Even a
>>>>> modest car is usually rated at least 85 out of a hundred points.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What I am getting at ? enter your car is a graded car show. Submit a
>>>>> copy of the judges sheets along with your pictures. Here you have given
>>>>> the insurer more to grade your car on than just a few two dimensional
>>>>> pictures of a three dimensional object and your loving words. After all
>>>>> ? does a mother EVER have an ugly kid?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Onward
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DOUG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+dnt=dock.net [at] ferrarilist.com]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Bob Ochsman
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:11 AM
>>>>> To: DOUG
>>>>> Cc: The FerrariList
>>>>> Subject: [Ferrari] Hagerty 328 Valuation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Their position
>>>>>
>>>>> is that is too high a valuation. Their rep by phone said they would
>>>>> study the matter further and get back to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, before you guys get on my case that that's not a Clyde value, that
>>>>> is true. But to my mind, the declared value for insurance purposes
>>>>> should be the full retail value. In any case, I'm a customer who is
>>>>> willing to pay the insurance tab for this valuation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was motivated to raise the declared value on my car by both the
>>>>> valuation data in Cavallino and the values posted in the latest issue of
>>>>> Forza. While they may not be fully accurate, many potential buyers and
>>>>> sellers will baseline their negotiations against those numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, the situation is pending and the Hagerty rep said they'd
>>>>> come back to me with their final determination in a day or two.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 11:20:10 -0400
>>>>> From: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
>>>>> To: Doug & Terri <dnt [at] dock.net>
>>>>> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Hagerty 328 Valuation
>>>>> Message-ID: <0CAF2456-F204-4087-A7F1-246B0EBE60D1 [at] bellsouth.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>
>>>>> The insurance companies are getting wise
>>>>> They know that the auctions are inflated
>>>>> Who in there right mind thinks a 328 is worth more than 30k ?
>>>>> Auctions don't represent the actual street market
>>>>>
>>>>> This might hurt some feeling but it is what it is
>>>>>
>>>>> Much like the idiots who buy beach property and all of a sudden it's
>>>>> worth millions and we the tax payer have to subsidize the flood insurance
>>>>>
>>>>> Realistically older Ferrari's are just that older cars
>>>>> The hype no longer is sticking
>>>>>
>>>>> For those with stupid deep pockets who want to brag they bought some 60's
>>>>> slush box God bless them
>>>>>
>>>>> Like I have always said
>>>>> If you want to know what God thought about money
>>>>> Look who he gave it too !
>>>>>
>>>>> Gotta go
>>>>>
>>>>> Clyde Romero
>>>>>
>>>>> In Victory you deserve Champagne
>>>>> In Defeat You Need It!
>>>>>
>>>>> If you obey all the rules
>>>>> You miss all the fun !
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Sep 30, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Doug & Terri <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Bob notes ?Hagerty refused yesterday to place a declared value of
>>>>> > $70,000 on my '88 328 GTS - 30,000 miles.?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Drat ? that?s a cold shot Bob. Well, Hagerty does evaluate a #2 car (a
>>>>> > previous #1 Pebble Beach winner) with quite a high set of standards.
>>>>> > An average value for a 328 between $45,000 and $59,725. Mix that in
>>>>> > with the actuary?s tables (I knew an actuary once ? boring fellow who
>>>>> > spent his time memorizing random digit tables and phone books) and they
>>>>> > arrive at a risk they are willing to accept. Add to the mix where you
>>>>> > live.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Since they usually only have your pictures they requested and your
>>>>> > self-evaluation they draw up their underwriting conclusions. Yea or
>>>>> > nay.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > SO ? what I tell my associates ? enter your car in a concours or ANY
>>>>> > graded car show. Most likely the numerical grade would place a fine
>>>>> > car in the upper reaches of the chart and it IS a grade by LEARNED
>>>>> > judges with their eyes ON your very car. Fact is ? because judges are
>>>>> > human (most are, really) they even have a tendency to rate, um,
>>>>> > middlin? cars higher than they should be ? after all, you don?t want to
>>>>> > crush the poor owner?s heart ? but the car is out of contention for a
>>>>> > trophy. Even a modest car is usually rated at least 85 out of a
>>>>> > hundred points.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > What I am getting at ? enter your car is a graded car show. Submit a
>>>>> > copy of the judges sheets along with your pictures. Here you have
>>>>> > given the insurer more to grade your car on than just a few two
>>>>> > dimensional pictures of a three dimensional object and your loving
>>>>> > words. After all ? does a mother EVER have an ugly kid?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Onward
>>>>> >
>>>>> > DOUG
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+dnt=dock.net [at]
>>>>> > ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Bob Ochsman
>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:11 AM
>>>>> > To: DOUG
>>>>> > Cc: The FerrariList
>>>>> > Subject: [Ferrari] Hagerty 328 Valuation
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Their position
>>>>> > is that is too high a valuation. Their rep by phone said they would
>>>>> > study the matter further and get back to me.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Now, before you guys get on my case that that's not a Clyde value, that
>>>>> > is true. But to my mind, the declared value for insurance purposes
>>>>> > should be the full retail value. In any case, I'm a customer who is
>>>>> > willing to pay the insurance tab for this valuation.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I was motivated to raise the declared value on my car by both the
>>>>> > valuation data in Cavallino and the values posted in the latest issue
>>>>> > of Forza. While they may not be fully accurate, many potential buyers
>>>>> > and sellers will baseline their negotiations against those numbers.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > In any case, the situation is pending and the Hagerty rep said they'd
>>>>> > come back to me with their final determination in a day or two.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thoughts?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:24:58 -0700
>>>>> From: "David" <david [at] tynerroberts.com>
>>>>> To: "'Fellippe Galletta'" <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 456 issues
>>>>> Message-ID: <F087F58DEB6546038E73BEE67D9EF669@X120>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Window ECUs suck and are NLA, fuel pump assemblies are crap and components
>>>>> are NLA (pump is available, but is useless without the various rubber bits
>>>>> to mount it in the tank), seat ECUs are NLA, and the list goes on. It
>>>>> isn't
>>>>> that the parts are expensive (they are), it's that they just aren't
>>>>> available.
>>>>>
>>>>> Engine wise both cars are pretty good, but with the 456 prices so low,
>>>>> there
>>>>> is usually a lot of deferred maintenance - just like 308s a few years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> 456M is the preferred option, but has the exact same issues as a regular
>>>>> 456. 550 is a much better bet but still suffers fuel pump issues with no
>>>>> parts available.
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember, there is no such thing as a cheap Ferrari - purchase price is
>>>>> only
>>>>> the beginning.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH, Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> _____
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Ferrari
>>>>> [mailto:ferrari-bounces+david=tynerroberts.com [at] ferrarilist.com] On
>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>> Fellippe Galletta
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:33 AM
>>>>> To: David
>>>>> Cc: The FerrariList
>>>>> Subject: [Ferrari] 456 issues
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A coworker asked me about the 456, and I told him it's a wonderful value
>>>>> for
>>>>> a modern V12 F.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just that it has a few potential issues that could quickly add up to the
>>>>> price of the car, hehe.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what were they exactly?
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember something about the windows, maybe windshield too. Also the
>>>>> auto
>>>>> trans could be an expensive rebuild (but nobody wants an auto 456!).
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't imagine it would be too bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at the V12 universe, it looks to be a good value. Even better than
>>>>> the Maranello possibly...
>>>>>
>>>>> FG
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>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 09:18:14 -0700
>>>>> From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: Bob Ochsman <ochsman [at] gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Hagerty 328 Valuation
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <1412093894.76652.YahooMailNeo [at] web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob, switch to Grundy. I just cranked up my agreed upon values based on
>>>>> current selling prices and they did not flinch. The rates didn't really
>>>>> even go up that much.
>>>>>
>>>>> LS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> central
>>>>> wines-spirits est 1934
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 625 e street nw
>>>>>
>>>>> washington, dc 20004
>>>>>
>>>>> centralwines.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 202-737-2800
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Bob Ochsman <ochsman [at] gmail.com>
>>>>> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
>>>>> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:11 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Ferrari] Hagerty 328 Valuation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hagerty refused yesterday to place a declared value of $70,000 on my '88
>>>>> 328 GTS - 30,000 miles. Their position
>>>>>
>>>>> is that is too high a valuation. Their rep by phone said they would
>>>>> study the matter further and get back to me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, before you guys get on my case that that's not a Clyde value, that
>>>>> is true. But to my mind, the declared value for insurance purposes
>>>>> should be the full retail value. In any case, I'm a customer who is
>>>>> willing to pay the insurance tab for this valuation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was motivated to raise the declared value on my car by both the
>>>>> valuation data in Cavallino and the values posted in the latest issue of
>>>>> Forza. While they may not be fully accurate, many potential buyers and
>>>>> sellers will baseline their negotiations against those numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, the situation is pending and the Hagerty rep said they'd
>>>>> come back to me with their final determination in a day or two.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:
>>>>> http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/lashdeep%40yahoo.com
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>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:39:23 -0400
>>>>> From: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
>>>>> To: David <david [at] tynerroberts.com>
>>>>> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 456 issues
>>>>> Message-ID: <96B2AF6C-2A01-45F1-81F6-9EDE7905BC66 [at] bellsouth.net>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> What's with the 550 fuel pump?
>>>>> Never heard of any issues
>>>>>
>>>>> In victory you deserve Champagne
>>>>> In defeat you need it!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Scars are Tattoos with better stories !
>>>>>
>>>>> If you follow all the rules
>>>>> You miss all the fun!
>>>>>
>>>>> Clyde Romero
>>>>> Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net.
>>>>> 678 6419932
>>>>>
>>>>> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail ( including attachments ) is covered
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>>>>>
>>>>> > On Sep 30, 2014, at 11:24 AM, David <david [at] tynerroberts.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Window ECUs suck and are NLA, fuel pump assemblies are crap and
>>>>> > components are NLA (pump is available, but is useless without the
>>>>> > various rubber bits to mount it in the tank), seat ECUs are NLA, and
>>>>> > the list goes on. It isn't that the parts are expensive (they are),
>>>>> > it's that they just aren't available.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Engine wise both cars are pretty good, but with the 456 prices so low,
>>>>> > there is usually a lot of deferred maintenance - just like 308s a few
>>>>> > years ago.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 456M is the preferred option, but has the exact same issues as a
>>>>> > regular 456. 550 is a much better bet but still suffers fuel pump
>>>>> > issues with no parts available.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Remember, there is no such thing as a cheap Ferrari - purchase price is
>>>>> > only the beginning.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > HTH, Dave
>>>>> >
>>>>> > From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+david=tynerroberts.com [at]
>>>>> > ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Fellippe Galletta
>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:33 AM
>>>>> > To: David
>>>>> > Cc: The FerrariList
>>>>> > Subject: [Ferrari] 456 issues
>>>>> >
>>>>> > A coworker asked me about the 456, and I told him it's a wonderful
>>>>> > value for a modern V12 F.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Just that it has a few potential issues that could quickly add up to
>>>>> > the price of the car, hehe.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > So what were they exactly?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I remember something about the windows, maybe windshield too. Also the
>>>>> > auto trans could be an expensive rebuild (but nobody wants an auto
>>>>> > 456!).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I can't imagine it would be too bad.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Looking at the V12 universe, it looks to be a good value. Even better
>>>>> > than the Maranello possibly...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > FG
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>>>>> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 20:00:55 -0400
>>>>> From: LarryT <L02turner [at] comcast.net>
>>>>> To: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
>>>>> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 456 issues
>>>>> Message-ID: <542B4437.2090907 [at] comcast.net>
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>>>>>
>>>>> A 550 parked next to me at a car even a couple of years ago and I was
>>>>> amazed at how small it was. We were in a early 90s E Class and it was
>>>>> the same size or smaller. More beautiful in person of course....
>>>>>
>>>>> LarryT
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/30/2014 10:26 AM, Doug & Terri wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Charles notes about the 456 ". . . and nearly invisible in traffic."
>>>>> >
>>>>> > There was a time we was looking for an F550 or F575. However with its
>>>>> > front end overhang it cannot negotiate my steep driveway. Alas. BUT,
>>>>> > that said, in my internet research travels one owner quipped "One
>>>>> > thing nice about the F550 is you will not be bothered in store parking
>>>>> > lots with hordes of gawkers or pick-up trucks trying to race you on
>>>>> > the road ways - - no one knows it is a Ferrari." Ah ah ah I still
>>>>> > like the car -- alas yet again.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > DOUG
>>>>> >
>>>>> > *From:*Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+dnt=dock.net [at]
>>>>> > ferrarilist.com]
>>>>> > *On Behalf Of *Charles Perry
>>>>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:02 AM
>>>>> > *To:* DOUG
>>>>> > *Cc:* The FerrariList
>>>>> > *Subject:* Re: [Ferrari] 456 issues
>>>>> >
>>>>> > As I understand it, it is the window regulators that are the problems.
>>>>> > They fail and are heinously expensive to replace ($2-3k each). When
>>>>> > failed, the windows can't go up and/or down and I believe the 456 does
>>>>> > drop the window a few mm when opening or closing doors to clear the
>>>>> > body seals. If the regulators are broken it can't do that, risking
>>>>> > breaking expensive glass. Susie's Boxster has the same issue but much
>>>>> > cheaper to fix.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Don't know anything about the auto trans, except that Ferrari sources
>>>>> > them elsewhere, so I'm sure some of the same problems as plagued the
>>>>> > 400/412 series apply.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > They do get the sticky interior problem that all Ferraris of that era
>>>>> > had, but that's easy to address.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Some more info here:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://www.ferraris-online.com/Articles/SCM_0212.shtml
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/used-car-buying-guides/used-car-buying-guide-ferrari-456-1992-2003
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Seems like a strong value if you can deal with the blandish styling. I
>>>>> > had Stan Luthi's dark green/tan car for a few days some years back and
>>>>> > it was a lot of fun, and nearly invisible in traffic. Good q-ship road
>>>>> > trip car for sure...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > *From:*Ferrari
>>>>> > [mailto:ferrari-bounces+charles=carolina-sound.com [at]
>>>>> > ferrarilist.com]
>>>>> > *On Behalf Of *Fellippe Galletta
>>>>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:33 AM
>>>>> > *To:* Charles Perry
>>>>> > *Cc:* The FerrariList
>>>>> > *Subject:* [Ferrari] 456 issues
>>>>> >
>>>>> > A coworker asked me about the 456, and I told him it's a wonderful
>>>>> > value for a modern V12 F.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Just that it has a few potential issues that could quickly add up to
>>>>> > the price of the car, hehe.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > So what were they exactly?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I remember something about the windows, maybe windshield too. Also the
>>>>> > auto trans could be an expensive rebuild (but nobody wants an auto
>>>>> > 456!).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I can't imagine it would be too bad.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Looking at the V12 universe, it looks to be a good value. Even better
>>>>> > than the Maranello possibly...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > FG
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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