Ferrari Mailing List: Re: My first check engine light on the 575

[Hans E. Hansen (FList]

The whole "proprietary code" thing is a bit nebulous.  It seems that
the so called "standard" OBD codes can be supplanted with others, kind
of making the  whole concept moot.  Apparently the standard codes are
prefixed with the letter "P", and run in a sequence of something like
1000 codes.  Maybe less, I don't remember off hand.

I had a 2006 Chevy Malibu.  CEL on.  It had a "P" code, but it was
outside of the standard range - something like P2123.  Did a Google
search, found out it was a post-cat O2 sensor.  Now, there is a
standard code for that sensor, but GM chose not to use it, and used a
"proprietary" code instead.  What a crock.

Anyway, my assortment of new and old scanners seem to be able to read
"P", "C", and "B" codes on my GM cars.  They just don't know what most
of them mean.  I've only tried the Foxwell on the Maserati, so I don't
know what my older generic scanners may or may not find.
 And on odd-ball cars like a Maserati, a Google search of mystery
codes often turns up nothing.

About once a month I get a warning message "TPMS system malfunction"
on the dash of my Maserati.  The scanner shows both a "P" code and a
"C" code.  Thankfully the Foxwell 520 will reset it and I'm good to go
for another few weeks.

BTW, I'm not sure what is new and improved on the Foxwell 520 vs the
510, as it appears that the software file updates are the same for
both scanners.

Hans.

On 5/28/19, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> I was under the impression that even the codes were unreadable. When I had
> my Smart car, I had a basic Autel reader that was only able to read the
> (required) emissions codes. As it was explained to me, this whole OBD thing
> is like if you were standing in a room that has two doors in front of you;
> one door freely opens to reveal the emissions codes, the other door is
> locked and contains the codes for everything else (A/C, radio, body, etc).
>
>
>
> So in reality, my Ethos should be able to “open that other door” and see any
> of the non-emissions-related codes that pop up from a Ferrari/Lambo/Maser.
>
>
>
> As for “Right to Repair”, I thought it concerned the access to OEM parts and
> the workshop repair info, than simply OBD access?
>
>
>
> Peter
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> behalf of Hans E. Hansen <FList [at] hanshansen.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 4:17:11 PM
> To: PeterGT4
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My first check engine light on the 575
>
> On 5/27/19, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Is there anywhere on the darkweb that one can get a dondle, or other
>> hardware and/or software that’ll crack the proprietary codes?
>
> A "dongle" has nothing to do with the proprietary codes.  It's simply
> a security device to (attempt) one from using pirated software.
>
> The codes are easily readable.  But their meaning is what is
> proprietary.  For example, a cheap generic OBD scanner showed that my
> Maserati was throwing a Body code - don't recall off the top of my
> head, but it was something like "B0321".  So the code is readable.
> But what does it mean?  *That's* the proprietary part.  Could not find
> a reference anywhere that explained what the code meant or what to do
> about it.
>
> The Leonardo system isn't a total solution.  For example, it will not
> even reset the Change Oil Light on my Maserati.  Supposedly only an
> SD2/3 would do it. But someone on the Maserati forum discovered a
> cheap Chinese tool called an "OBDStar X-200" that will reset the
> Change Oil Light.  It will reset other dash warning lights as well,
> but I haven't had to experiment with any of the other functions.  I
> think someone reset an airbag warning light that came on after
> temporarily disconnecting an airbag.
>
> And, BTW, the Foxwell 510 has been superseded by the 520.  The 520
> seems to be the only consumer level tool that will reset the Maserati
> "TPMS system malfunction" warning message.  It will also read/reset a
> handfull of other pesky proprietary codes - but certainly not all of
> them. And when I say "read", I mean explain what they are.  BTW, if
> you are interested in the Foxwell 520 - or the older 510 - be aware
> that it ships with software for just one make of vehicle.  They charge
> $60 for each additional manufacturer's software.  (Although the
> Maserati software on my 520 has support for the Alfa 8C.  Go
> figure.....) For a Chinese company, their customer support is decent,
> quickly answering my questions about software compatibility.  Best
> (cheapest) sources are the Foxwell stores on Ebay or Amazon.
>
> Also in my arsenal is the Autel MaxiTPMS tool to activate the finicky
> TPMS wheel sensors that seem to be proprietary to some Maseratis and
> Ferraris.
>
> So 3 electronic gadgets to keep my Quattroporte happy.  And I'm
> thinking of adding the Autel MX808 just for good measure.
>
> Hans.
>
>>
>> I’ve got a Snap-On code reader (Ethos
>> Edge<https://store.snapon.com/ETHOS-174-Edge-Scan-Tool-ETHOS-EDGE-Scan-Tool-P928828.aspx>),
>> which comes loaded to scan all domestic and Euro cars... Sadly, not
>> Ferrari/Lambo/Maserati. Although it’ll read Fiat and Alfa Romeo (with the
>> recent update, to 2019). All the info is stored in a micro SD card. I
>> haven’t used it on my Fiat yet, but have fixed many coworkers vehicles. I
>> got it when it first came out and my Snap-On guy had them at a blowout
>> introductory price (almost at wholesale).
>>
>> I think the only aftermarket system is the Leonardo scanner for these
>> exotics (still, at five figures $, if I remember correctly).
>>
>> This is one of the reasons why I wouldn’t want to own a “modern”
>> Ferrari...
>> If my scanner could read them, then I’d consider it.
>>
>> Peter
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>> behalf of Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 5:12:50 AM
>> To: PeterGT4
>> Cc: The FerrariList
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My first check engine light on the 575
>>
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> But when you said you needed to bring it in to clear it, I figured it
>> threw
>> one of the propriety codes.  Ferrari mechanics need to eat, too.
>>
>> On May 27, 2019, at 7:11 AM, Clarence Romero Jr.
>> <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com<mailto:clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> You didn’t see that I bought a tool to check the codes ?
>>
>>
>>
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>> If you have no enemies, you have no character !
>>
>> Clyde Romero
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>> On May 27, 2019, at 8:08 AM, Erik Nielsen
>> <judge4re [at] gmail.com<mailto:judge4re [at] gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> There is an SD3 on eBay right now.
>>
>> Only $20k.
>>
>> On May 27, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Clarence Romero Jr.
>> <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com<mailto:clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Yea right
>>
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>> On May 27, 2019, at 7:56 AM, Erik Nielsen
>> <judge4re [at] gmail.com<mailto:judge4re [at] gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Ask Santa for an SD2 for Christmas.
>>
>> On May 27, 2019, at 6:26 AM, Clarence Romero Jr.
>> <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com<mailto:clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Well it finally happened
>> Knew it would, got a master caution light( sorry guys to you it’s a check
>> engine light, still to much aviator in me) yesterday
>> Nothing I could figure out
>> Will take it in get it cleared and move on
>> Seat stopped working again
>> Then it did !
>>
>> Bought this
>> http://www.diagnostic-world.com/pages/ferrari_code_readers__diagnostic_scan_reset_amp_tools_194245-z=582963&p=121451.cfm#content_item_121451
>>
>> You know the Brits they say it works ( not so sure about BREXIT though) so
>> I
>> want to see it for myself
>> When I get it I will report back on it, since it looks as if the 575 is a
>> moody beast when it comes to check engine lights
>> And if it is as advertised I will do what I’ve done with the shim kit
>> If a lister needs it they pay shipping both ways
>>
>> I was thinking if Ferrari would have put just a little more into the
>> workmanship of the hoses and electrical system none of this stuff would
>> happen.
>> I mean look at Japanese cars and German cars, it’s seems as if the
>> Italians
>> just under engineer the cars or just source parts from horrible suppliers
>> But in retrospect they know that they will sell everything they make so
>> why
>> bother in making it durable, it’s a win for the dealership service
>> department
>>
>> The new NSX has everything yet they can’t sell them, they are deeply
>> discounted with a finance plan to die for! My friend just bought one.
>> And you know that car will always work with no issues whatsoever
>>
>> Well guys as I’ve always said it is what it is, will report back on the
>> check engine light issue. Not worried, I know it’s just a light and the
>> car
>> runs fine.
>>
>>
>> Too my fellow warriors out the there, have a safe Memorial Day
>> Fly fast N’ Check 6
>> Push it up lead !
>> And if you see a former or active duty service member, thank them for
>> what
>> they do.
>>
>>
>>
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>> If you have no enemies, you have no character !
>>
>> Clyde Romero
>>
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