Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Radical versus Stohr?

[Charles Perry (charles]

I don’t think Dennis has had a crash of any significance in the car. He did have a significant engine fire last year, and of course that came with an “off” as he abandoned the car. Safety crews did a good job and so the damage was limited to the motor, surrounding accessories and the bodywork above. He’s had it rebuilt and it’s circuit worthy again, although I don’t think he’s had an opportunity to run it this year between COVID, travel and his oldest daughter starting out on the track.

 

I think your pricing for the C7 is way high. I bought my 2015 Z06 30 months ago for $68k. That was a solid deal at the time for a 4,000 mile car. A Grand Sport or Stingray should be a significant discount off that, and there’s COVID bargains to be had now if you’re not too picky about colors and such.

 

-- charles

 

From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+charles=carolinasound.com [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2020 2:57 PM
To: Charles Perry
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Radical versus Stohr?

 

Thanks for the heads up Scottie, sure wish Dennis was still in the group to give some feedback...

 

And thanks for all the suggestions, I ran a quick ballpark internet performance and cost survey, with these rough results.  Of course it has nothing to do with the handling of the vehicle with just the power to weight ratio and acquisition cost...

 

Vehicle: bhp/T/$

 

Ferrari308 134 $$$lots

Miata 152. $15k

Boxster 197. $35k

Cayman 207. $50k

Corvette C7 405. $65k

Radical SR3 406. $25k

 

food for thought... Not quite sure where I'm headed but it seems like it'll be a fun time....

 

Mark

 

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From: scott saidel <Scott_Saidel [at] Hotmail.com>

Date: 8/8/20 6:25 AM (GMT-07:00)

To: Mark <misc [at] 308systems.com>

Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Radical versus Stohr?

 

I agree about the cheap car.  For straight up fun, Miata.  Easy to own, cheap to repair and the SPECMiata class SCCA has a giant schedule and always plenty of competition.  

 

Something bad happened to Dennis in the Radical.  Don’t remember if it was failure or crash, but the car was smashed.  Dennis was bruised but otherwise fine.  Until then, everything Dennis had posted about the car was praise.

 

Scottie

On Aug 7, 2020, at 11:52 PM, Charles Perry <charles [at] carolinasound.com> wrote:

 

I don’t know if he’s still lurking here, but Dennis Liu has a Radical. I haven’t got to drive it yet, but he says it’s pretty spectacular, although a little brutal on the body to drive. Some tracks require arm straps, which makes it difficult to give point bys (although there may not be many of those once you get to know the car J).

 

I don’t know your skill level or history, but most instructors and programs say that you’ll learn a lot more a lot more quickly by buying a car that has lower power and fewer driver’s aids – Miata, E36 M3, Boxster/Cayman. When I started to get into track events seriously I started shopping for a 987.2 Cayman. It got some modifications that make it more track appropriate versus the earlier 987. Cheap to buy and to run. Some tracks have restrictions against convertibles that don’t have hardtops or cages, which is why it makes more sense than a Boxster.

For better or worse, while shopping for the Cayman I took out a Corvette C7-Z06. Fell hard for it and bought it as my track car. I’ve been running it for about 2.5 years now and absolutely love it. It needed a few minor mods for track reliability, but it will run away from almost any street car except GT Porsches. You could save a bunch of money buying a Grand Sport, which gives you all the track goodies without the supercharger. Exceptional performer for the money.

 

Anything that gets you on the track is a good choice! Good luck.

 

-- charles

 

From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+charles=carolinasound.com [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2020 11:37 PM
To: Charles Perry
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: [Ferrari] Radical versus Stohr?

 

After an awesome track experience, I've decided to retire my 308 from the racetrack, but still have the bug!


I was thinking about a Boxster track car and then local Ferrari guru suggested either a Radical or Stohr dedicated track car...


Do you guys have any experience with either of those, or others?


From the web info, both look awesome....490bhp/ton, 0-60 3.5sec, etc....


Thanks!


Mark

 

 

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