Ferrari Mailing List: Re: NFC - Guns & CCWs - was New Indian...

[A.J. Merrifield (101pdt]

You know, in all honesty I tend to be a bit more comfortable when I run
someone's tags during a traffic stop and it tells me that they've got a
CCW.  That tells me that if the person driving the vehicle is a registered
owner, then a) they're not a felon and they've passed (at least a
rudimentary) background check, b) they're a (generally) law-abiding citizen
who has taken the time to do the right thing and take a class and register
for a CCW, and c) 99% of the time they're not some whackjob liberal out to
scream at me because I've got a gun on my hip.

Ric says it perfectly: Identify yourself as a CCW holder, keep both hands in
plain site, produce the CCW and DL when requested, and be polite.  99.9% of
the time you'll just get a warning (unless you were REALLY driving like an
idiot).

Just my $.02.  The local county mountie wherever you are may vary.

- A.J.

On Jan 16, 2008 1:18 AM, Ric Rainbolt <ricrainbolt [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting scenario. I have a CCW and I have been stopped twice
> while "packing". Apparently, they do know this when they run the
> plates. Both times I declared the weapon immediately (and I also
> always keep my hands in plain sight at all times). In both cases, the
> officers basically thanked me for declaring it and asked to see my
> CCW ID (different than the driver's license). Neither required me to
> produce, display or surrender the gun. The last time, the cop & I
> discussed guns for about 10 minutes (he was pro-gun) at which point
> he let me go with a warning.
>
> I know two current patrol cops (one Texas, one Louisiana), and they
> both are in favor of the whole CCW thing and tell me that most of
> their fellow cops are as well.
>
> There are approximately 2,000,000 current CCW holders in the USA;
> over 170,000 in Texas. Very, very few crimes have been committed by
> the legal holders. In Texas, there has been a tiny number (2 or 3?)
> actual indictments in the 7 years I've been a CCW holder. Not exactly
> a wild-west festival of gory blood as the anti-gun crowd would have
> had you believe was going to happen before the CCW law was enacted.
>
> Texas has just extended the Castle (sp?) laws to include cars. So
> now, apparently, it's legal for any legal gun owner to carry a loaded
> weapon in the car, within reach, regardless of trip destination.
>
> I've never had to use or even brandish any of my several weapons. But
> like seat belts and any kind of insurance, I hope I never have to.
>
> End of sermon,
> Ric Rainbolt
>
>
> At 10:17 AM 1/15/2008, you wrote:
> >Dr Steve wrote <<we won't even mention adding to the coding when one
> >purchases a
> >firearm, >>
> >
> >Or, if some of us citizens might be so audacious as to have a Concealed
> >carry permit.  The police should obviously know when approaching a car
> with
> >one of *those* people at the helm.
> >
> >I can see it now, I roll thru a stop sign at some deserted intersection
> at
> >2am - being able to see for miles I don;t come to a "full and complete
> >stop" - blue lights instantly light up the night, a few seconds pass as
> my
> >license plate is entered into a computer, electronic bits warmup, unseen
> >things fly between the police car and a satillite thousands of miles away
> >and back again - next thing I know 2 officers are approaching my car with
> >guns drawn and demanding I exit the car and lay on the ground where I'm
> >handcuffed, lifted up then laid over the hood of my car.
> >
> >for rolling thru a stop sign in a wide open area with nothing coming for
> >miles around.   On another subject, I was almost hit last night when I
> >pulled out of our sub-division last night - unknown to me a small pickup
> was
> >coming over the hill toward the intersection with only parking lights on
> -
> >it was a black pickup BTW - amd I didn;t know he was there until I was
> out
> >on the higheay and looked to see him on my bumper - still with only
> parking
> >lights on.  And then I see a car approaching in the other lane without
> *any*
> >headlights - could barely see him at all.  Must have been saving his
> lights
> >for another time.  It was well after dark with all other vehicles having
> >lights on.  *That* is what police should be going after.
> >
> >Oh well, have a nice week -
> >
> >Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com>
> >To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> >Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> >Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:05 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Indian Supercar [Ferrari Digest, Vol 18, Issue
> >18]
> >
> >
> > > One more thing about this new creation from India. It might liven up
> the
> > > debate in the Michigan Republican Primary as the epitome of
> "outsourcing".
> > > Of
> > > course the "Detroit Big Three" could just each purchase a variant of
> this
> > > pseudo-car licensed from TATA and then push them out to increase their
> > > CAFE  fleet
> > > ratings.
> > >
> > > And there is one added "feature" that we all, perhaps, have missed.
> When
> > > the
> > > new Federally approved, anti-terrorist National Identification Card
> (aka
> > > the
> > > new, Patriot Act Conforming Driver's License document that we all will
> > > soon
> > > be  compelled to obtain) is issued and the government then figures out
> > > that by
> > > a  coding in the strip on the back of the license document that they
> can
> > > record the  identification, CAFE score, etc., of each individual
> > > automobile that we
> > > drive  (we won't even mention adding to the coding when one purchases
> a
> > > firearm, but of  course this would just be for police officer safety
> as he
> > > could
> > > put the license  into his card reader and learn if you own any
> firearms
> > > that
> >[SNIP}
> >
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