Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Ferrari California

[Steve Jenkins (steve]

When I lived in France, I noticed that they didn't even badge the 914 as a
Porsche. Yep - it's badged as a VW. :)

SJ 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Warlick [mailto:edwf430 [at] bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:19 PM
To: Steve Jenkins
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari California

I am sure back in the days of production of both cars the performance levels

were quite comparable. I have had both cars although the 914-6 was a (can I 
use a musclecar word here?) "clone". Both cars were real drivers cars in 
that there's nothing there. The dino did have power windows and so called 
A/C though.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Sherman" <sherman [at] wildblue.net>
To: "Daniel" <edwf430 [at] bellsouth.net>
Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari California


> Have you read Hemmings Sports & Exotics April 2008?
> They compare the 914-6 to the Dino 246 GTS and even the Porshe owner would
> like have the Dino.
>
> Stephen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> To: "Stephen" <sherman [at] wildblue.net>
> Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari California
>
>
>> It's well known then Enzo's primary interest was always racing and his
>> road
>> car program was there to pay the bills to keep the racing going.  I 
>> wonder
>> what (if anything) Ferrari would have done differently if he'd placed 
>> more
>> emphasis on road cars?  Perhaps designs that might appeal to more people
>> (no
>> idea what that would entail) ?  more options? a broader model range?
>>
>> or ???
>>
>> Maybe Ferrari would make more cars but they would be valued less?  Would
>> they have tried to make a "People's Ferrari" ala the Porsche 914? 
>> Perhaps
>> as a JV with FIAT?
>>
>> Just wondering and wasting time ;-)
>>
>> Have a nice Hump day -
>>
>> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
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>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dan Warlick" <edwf430 [at] bellsouth.net>
>> To: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
>> Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari California
>>
>>
>>>I have a '61 250GT PF Cabriolet. (Series II of course). The car is
>>>arguably
>>>and basically a 250 California Spider without the gill vents and a short
>>>windshield. I see no resemblance what so ever except for maybe the hood
>>>scoop. It would seem that the American big 3 retro designs  (i.e. 
>>>mustang,
>>>challenger, camaro) received much praise and warm welcomes. Perhaps
>>>Ferrari
>>>would view such a design move as a rehash or some sort of regression. It
>>>would be very nice to have a small, light, hand built from exotic
>>>materials, convertible that actually is a design study on classic Ferrari
>>>design. It looks like the new kids in the design houses are only
>>>reflecting
>>>on generic elements such as "it had little vents in the fenders" or "it
>>>had
>>>a hood scoop" and not taking notice of the overall liquidity of design.
>>>Even in the F430 nose it's NOT anything like the 1961/62 Tipo 156 Shark
>>>Nose F1 cars at all. I think I saw all of this coming but didn't 
>>>recognize
>>>it about 20 years ago when all the younger guys began "customizing" and
>>>lowering trucks while we were still actually turning wrenches. The 
>>>passion
>>>was fading......Someone's parents weren't doing their job passing the
>>>torch. The answer to "What's under your hood?" changed from a 
>>>conversation
>>>of; changing out SB400 cranks for SB350's making long rod 388's and
>>>377's/cams solid or hyd?/ Carb CFM but u hadda rejet".........to " I got
>>>this awesome chrome stick-on engine dress up kit at Pep Boys.....look at
>>>my
>>>neon light under the bumper..I can fit my head in my tail pipe...I got
>>>pink
>>>plug wires and this really cool heads up display big screen TV....blah
>>>blah
>>>blah..!    Did these guys grow up to be the designers? I am becoming more
>>>and more disappointed with all new car designs with the exception of as
>>>Charles has so astutely pointed out, Maserati and Aston. Is there any way
>>>we could pass around a PDF file or Word/Works file and see what we could
>>>come up with? I mean it doesn't make us Jimmy Glick' but it might turn 
>>>out
>>>to be a pretty damn good interpretation of what Ferrari should have built
>>>considering our vast geographic locations and differing opinions.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
>>> To: "Daniel" <edwf430 [at] bellsouth.net>
>>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari California
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's time to watch "Ferrari, Victory By Design" again.   In addition to
>>>> the
>>>> 250GT Ken mentioned, the 250P, 275GTB, 330s the various 312's and the
>>>> 365s,
>>>> etc. can be seen and heard.  IMO, once we went to car design by
>>>> government
>>>> edict we began to slowly move to a world of cookie cutter car design in
>>>> approx. 1968 .
>>>>
>>>> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
>>>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>>>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
>>>> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
>>>> 800-583-8601
>>>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Ken Rentiers" <rentiers [at] mac.com>
>>>> To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
>>>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:03 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari California
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Consider the 250 SWB. No character lines, no supernumerary exhaust
>>>>> tips or retractible hardtop causing the trunk to look like a turtle
>>>>> humped over fucking. Just pure sweet simple unadorned 100% pur sang
>>>>> car. How hard can it be to do that again?
>>>>>
>>>>> k
>>>>> On May 13, 2008, at 8:17 PM, Charles Perry wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bleah. Saturn Sky meets Ferris Bueller body kit. I miss the beautiful
>>>>>> Ferraris...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll agree that the modern Ferraris are more striking in person, but 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> don't think there's been a beautiful one since the 355. I think
>>>>>> Maserati
>>>>>> and Aston Martin have cornered the market on beautiful for some time
>>>>>> now...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- charles
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Dan Warlick [mailto:edwf430 [at] bellsouth.net]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 8:03 AM
>>>>>> To: Charles Perry
>>>>>> Cc: The FerrariList
>>>>>> Subject: [Ferrari] Ferrari California
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.ferraricalifornia.com/webapp/downloads.htm?locale=en_GB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The photos are out!!!!! Wow!!!
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