Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Ferrari California

[Tom Reynolds (kjtar]

Well, when it comes to the subject of what's needed, on a Ferrari list, it's
a slight dichotomy, dontcha think?  Sure, I'm for a car with wind-up
windows, manual transmission, mid engine, rear wheel drive, manual soft top
for the convertible, gee, kinda like a 308gt4.  Heck, the windows on 'Mario'
were a tad slow, anyway.  Oh, let's not forget a gas tank filler pipe that
actually allows you to leave the gas pump IN the filler pipe and not have to
nurse it without the feature of "automatic full on pump."  Or am I being too
soft in that regard?  :) Like Colin Chapman said, "add lightness."  But, do
you really NEED 400 hp?  Don't you  want to go back to the days of
"tossable" sports cars?
Yeah, right.
Tom Reynolds
Tulsa, OK
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ken rentiers" <rentiers [at] mac.com>
To: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari California


> Great idea, Dan.
>
> While we're at it, in a world where gasoline is $4.00 a gallon, how
> badly do we need all the gee-gaws that add pound after unwanted
> pound, and the barrage of superfluous electrical stuff that mandates
> a second battery, just to run the thermoelectric cooler in the
> armrest, the parking system and the digital entertainment subwoofers.
> How about a California Spyder weighing oh - 2800 pounds with a cloth
> top, manly manual steering and transmission (hydraulics are heavy)
> sporting a 2.5 L V12 which with today's tech could easily output
> close to 400 HP.
>
> I'm tired of cars that look like they beat them with an ugly stick.
>
> k
>
> On May 14, 2008, at 8:22 AM, Dan Warlick wrote:
>
> > I have a '61 250GT PF Cabriolet. (Series II of course). The car is
> > arguably
> > and basically a 250 California Spider without the gill vents and a
> > short
> > windshield. I see no resemblance what so ever except for maybe the
> > hood
> > scoop. It would seem that the American big 3 retro designs  (i.e.
> > mustang,
> > challenger, camaro) received much praise and warm welcomes. Perhaps
> > Ferrari
> > would view such a design move as a rehash or some sort of
> > regression. It
> > would be very nice to have a small, light, hand built from exotic
> > materials,
> > convertible that actually is a design study on classic Ferrari
> > design. It
> > looks like the new kids in the design houses are only reflecting on
> > generic
> > elements such as "it had little vents in the fenders" or "it had a
> > hood
> > scoop" and not taking notice of the overall liquidity of design.
> > Even in the
> > F430 nose it's NOT anything like the 1961/62 Tipo 156 Shark Nose F1
> > cars at
> > all. I think I saw all of this coming but didn't recognize it about
> > 20 years
> > ago when all the younger guys began "customizing" and lowering
> > trucks while
> > we were still actually turning wrenches. The passion was
> > fading......Someone's parents weren't doing their job passing the
> > torch. The
> > answer to "What's under your hood?" changed from a conversation of;
> > changing
> > out SB400 cranks for SB350's making long rod 388's and 377's/cams
> > solid or
> > hyd?/ Carb CFM but u hadda rejet".........to " I got this awesome
> > chrome
> > stick-on engine dress up kit at Pep Boys.....look at my neon light
> > under the
> > bumper..I can fit my head in my tail pipe...I got pink plug wires
> > and this
> > really cool heads up display big screen TV....blah blah blah..!
> > Did these
> > guys grow up to be the designers? I am becoming more and more
> > disappointed
> > with all new car designs with the exception of as Charles has so
> > astutely
> > pointed out, Maserati and Aston. Is there any way we could pass
> > around a PDF
> > file or Word/Works file and see what we could come up with? I mean it
> > doesn't make us Jimmy Glick' but it might turn out to be a pretty
> > damn good
> > interpretation of what Ferrari should have built considering our vast
> > geographic locations and differing opinions.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> > To: "Daniel" <edwf430 [at] bellsouth.net>
> > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari California
> >
> >
> >> It's time to watch "Ferrari, Victory By Design" again.   In
> >> addition to
> >> the
> >> 250GT Ken mentioned, the 250P, 275GTB, 330s the various 312's and the
> >> 365s,
> >> etc. can be seen and heard.  IMO, once we went to car design by
> >> government
> >> edict we began to slowly move to a world of cookie cutter car
> >> design in
> >> approx. 1968 .
> >>
> >> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
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> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ken Rentiers" <rentiers [at] mac.com>
> >> To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> >> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:03 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari California
> >>
> >>
> >>> Consider the 250 SWB. No character lines, no supernumerary exhaust
> >>> tips or retractible hardtop causing the trunk to look like a turtle
> >>> humped over fucking. Just pure sweet simple unadorned 100% pur sang
> >>> car. How hard can it be to do that again?
> >>>
> >>> k
> >>> On May 13, 2008, at 8:17 PM, Charles Perry wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Bleah. Saturn Sky meets Ferris Bueller body kit. I miss the
> >>>> beautiful
> >>>> Ferraris...
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll agree that the modern Ferraris are more striking in person,
> >>>> but I
> >>>> don't think there's been a beautiful one since the 355. I think
> >>>> Maserati
> >>>> and Aston Martin have cornered the market on beautiful for some
> >>>> time
> >>>> now...
> >>>>
> >>>> -- charles
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Dan Warlick [mailto:edwf430 [at] bellsouth.net]
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 8:03 AM
> >>>> To: Charles Perry
> >>>> Cc: The FerrariList
> >>>> Subject: [Ferrari] Ferrari California
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.ferraricalifornia.com/webapp/downloads.htm?locale=en_GB
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The photos are out!!!!! Wow!!!
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> uncle ken
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