Re: Illinois speed traps | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Hans E. Hansen (FList![]() |
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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:40:12 -0700 (PDT) |
On 8/9/08, Ferrarisimo [at] Comcast.net <Ferrarisimo [at] comcast.net> wrote: > > On Aug 9, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Hans E. Hansen wrote: > > > > > Hans. (Who was part of the problem, holding energy futures > > during the run-up.) > > > > > You Bastard! : o > Thank you, thank you. And now for my next act..... The handwriting was clearly on the wall for the recent turn-around in energy futures - in particular natural gas. However, I'm way too much of a coward to short the energies. All you need is some whacko weirdo in the mideast to do something bad and your short position is under water in a hurry. I'm short gold, but that doesn't have quite the level of volatility as oil. As an aside: Food for energy. This is to some extent crap fear mongering from eviroweenies and liberal politicians. Corn used for ethanol is not the corn that we eat. We eat "sweet corn", which is only a very tiny percentage of the corn grown. The bulk of what we raise is referred to variously as "field corn" or "feed corn", and it is - and always has been - used for two purposes: industrial chemical production (including ethanol), and feeding livestock. We don't nor ever had a shortage of sweet corn. The use of feed corn for increased (note that I said "increased", as this corn has always been used industrially) ethanol has certainly contributed to rising meat costs, however. However, and most don't realize this, recent high grain costs are mostly attributed to widespread crop failures in recent years. It's decreased supply, not increased demand, that has driven up prices. But this has changed. For the most part, grain crops are on the path to normal-to-above-normal yields on a global basis this year. Now that the size of current crops has been digested by the marketplace, prices have been tumbling. Rice from 2280 to 1600. Wheat from 1285 to 790 (this is SRW, the other types have had similar price crashes), corn from 800 to 510, and soybeans from 1640 to 1180. While wheat and corn are getting somewhere near normal levels, beans have a long way to go and look like they are falling rapidly back to typical prices. They are an excellent short, even after all they have fallen. Rice was extensively hoarded during recent shortages, and now that it is readily available again, there is lack of demand as individuals (and governments like the Philipines which doubled the size of their normal purchases during the shortage) use up some the large quantities that they set aside when it looked like there was no supply. (Stores in Vietnam had a 300kg (600lb) per person limit on purchases, and with several members of each family going thru the checkout counter, many accumulated tons. With families buying this kind of bulk, how much do you really think they will need in the immediate future?) These markets are in major bear mode and look to fall a long ways farther yet. Will they fall all the way back to historically normal lows (like 200 corn)? Doubtful, as farm inputs have risen considerably. But we should see prices that are historically more typical. I'd bet on 300-400 corn, 700 beans, 500 wheat, 1200-1300 rice. Also, using relatively expensive corn for ethanol is likely nearing an end anyway. By "forcing" the industry to adopt ethanol, new technologies are coming out of the woodwork. Scrap vegetation, like corn stalks, etc. is experimentally being converted to something fermentable by enzymes, and a company recently went commercially online making ethanol via bacteria (instead of yeast) out of all manner of junk, including used tires. The factory Corvette racing team buys their ethanol from this company. These technologies in the past were not worth pursuing because of cost, but at $3 to $4 gasoline, they are now competive. So the sky isn't really falling. Driving cars will not cause us all to starve to death. Hans. (still eating well and driving all that I want)
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