Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Replacing fuel injectors

[clyderomero (clyderomero]

When I did mine years ago I sprayed the injector area with WD 40 
Let it soak over night

Pop they cam out
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Greenfield <coyote [at] acme-ltd.com>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:43:12 
To: clyde<clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Replacing fuel injectors


I haven't been following this discussion all that closely so I maybe  
completely wrong.

I replaced the injectors on my QV (1985 US spec) sometime ago.  
Although my memory is fuzzy and I haven't looked at the car in several  
months (since the car is hibernating for the duration of our wonderful  
new england winter) I don't remember it being any big deal.

My recollection is this:

Remove the hard fuel lines from the injectors (use a wrench to hold  
the injector from turning).

Remove the nuts that hold the small circular retainers and remove the  
retainers.

Pull the injectors straight up. Don't remember exactly how I did it,  
might have used a pry bar, screwdriver, or forked tool of some sort to  
'lever' them out.

Put the new o-ring (don't reuse the old ones, they will be hard and  
brittle) on the new injector, put a little lube of some sort on the o- 
ring and push it home.

Reassemble everything else.

I gather there might be an earlier version that might be different,  
and if so this may not apply to this application.

YMMV,

Jeff

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On Jan 14, 2009, at 5:12 PM, Rick Lindsay <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

> Well poop!  When you pull the injector, does the o-ring stay in the  
> runner, under the retainer?
>
>
> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> From: Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Replacing fuel injectors
>> To: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:56 PM
>> I have this chore sometime this winter, but can relay the
>> experiences of some local 308 friends who have - you'll
>> need a long, 3' Breaker Bar and a few days of PB Blaster
>> soak before those things will budge.  Two and a Half
>> decades of heat cycling and dissimilar metal bonding make
>> these an absolute chore.  A high-torque impact wrench was
>> also used.....by pulling the injector straight UP out of the
>> hole, and re-inserting an Allen impact Socket of exact
>> dimensions for the hole in the injector race.
>>
>> I have a spare set of intakes with identical Injector
>> assemblies - a VERY strong friend (who could pull the
>> older-style injectors out with his bare hands) and I
>> attempted to turn the injectors free using a bench vice and
>> a standard metric wrench.  The amount of torque we applied
>> should have broken something free - we didn't.
>>
>> M
>>
>> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Rick Lindsay
>> <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Rick Lindsay <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [Ferrari] Replacing fuel injectors
>> To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "The FerrariList"
>> <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 9:48 AM
>>
>> Hello Friends,
>>
>> I have a question or two regarding the process of replacing
>> K-Jetronic
>> injectors.
>>
>> My car uses an early K-Jetronic system, without lambda and
>> without the vacuum
>> limiting device fitted to U.S. Spec. cars.  It also uses
>> the earlier style of
>> injector retainers which are screwed into the inlet
>> runners.  Here's a look
>> at one, http://www.aubard.us/Mondial/HPIM1336.JPG .  And as
>> anyone who has
>> removed spark plugs from an aluminum head knows, there is a
>> chance for galling
>> the aluminum as I (attempt to) unscrew the 25 year old
>> steel retainers!  Since
>> these seem to be original steel injectors, they are most
>> likely original
>> equipment and have been in place for 25 years!
>>
>> The recommended removal method is to disconnect the
>> plumbing then unscrew the
>> retainer with a deep socket on the injector.  I anticipate
>> a good cleaning
>> followed by a soak of PT Blaster as a thread lubricant
>> before attempting to
>> unscrew the retainers.  Any of you done this?  Can you
>> recommend a better
>> methodology?  Perhaps a light rap of a hammer on the steel
>> bit by placing a
>> larger socket over the injector; something to just loosen
>> any corrosion between
>> the threads and the runner?
>>
>> The next issue becomes the installation of new injectors.
>> As you probably
>> know, the new injectors are made of brass, a softer metal.
>> Newer cars used hard
>> rubber plugs rather than steel retainers.  My concern is
>> about later removal of
>> the injectors with only the soft brass injector flats to
>> unscrew the steel
>> retainer.   So again, I ask for your experience. Should I
>> just lube the steel
>> threads with a copper-based anti-seize, not over tighten
>> and not worry?  Or
>> can/should I update the retainers to the rubber plugs?
>> Will they work in
>> threaded holes?  Or perhaps should I mill a slot in the
>> steel retainer tops and
>> later fabricate a special tool to help unscrew them?
>>
>> Your experienced advice is appreciated.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> rick
>> '83 Mondial QV
>> '79 308GTB
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