Re: Require Driving School? Yes or No?
From: Red5hilser (Red5hilseraol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:58:03 -0800 (PST)
Back in the mists of time, the day after I turned 14, my mom took me down  to 
the DMV in Santa Ana (the only one in Orange County back then), where I got  
my first Calif. Drivers License. Since we had an RFD address, and lived out in 
 the orange groves, I qualified for a regular CDL as we were classified as  
farmers. <g>
 
My 1st car, which I bought a year later for $400 dollars of MY OWN  money was 
a baby blue '42 Ford Club Coupe. I drove down to Tijuana and  had a naugahide 
tuck & roll interior installed for $80 usd to  complement the fuzzy dice that 
my girlfriend had made me, and the naked hula  girl shift knob that I bought 
at Pep Boys for $2.95. Yea, cLyDe, it was 3  on-the-floor.
 
In Tijuana, they just double parked the car out in the street when I got  
there and worked on it out there. By the time that I ate dinner, and spent a 
few  
hours of fun and games at the infamous Blue Fox nightclub, it was done. BTW, 
the  drinking rules in TJ at the time, were if you're tall enough to see over  
the bar counter, you're old enough to drink like the next man.
 
Life was so much simpler then.  Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba
 
 
In a message dated 2/13/2009 12:24:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
stevej [at] cheatcodes.com writes:

Someone  said this years ago on this list when we were having a
discussion like  this:

"In Germany, they consider driving instruction a right, and  driving a
privilege.

In the US, they consider driving a right, and  driving instruction a
privilege. :)"

Except in Idaho... they just  hand you keys as soon as your legs are long
enough to reach the tractor  pedals.

SJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Fleischer  [mailto:themightytoe [at] gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 7:32  AM
To: Steve Jenkins
Cc: Ferrarilist
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Require  Driving School? Yes or No?

OK

I have been reading this thread  for a bit and as an HPDE instructor, I 
will put it out there to my Ferrari  list pals who I think are a great 
and entertaining group...  Would I  want to share track time with you 
guys on a road course?   Hell  no, I value my life too much.

Bunch of back seat drivers if I ever saw  them...  I would be genuinely 
surprised to see more than 10% of this  list be able to execute a heel 
and toe down shift consistently or to run a  single lap in any car, let 
alone their prized Ferrari at 10/10ths.   Seriously your a bunch of 
waxers when it comes to real driving, the PCA  and BMW CCA guys would eat

your lunches no question.   No  question the rides look and sound better,

but don't fool yourselves  into thinking the 370Z auto rev matching was 
not built specifically for  you just like those F1 paddles in 80% of new 
Ferrari's. 

As for the  ZR1, yeah its a monster of a car, and not for the 
inexperienced, but in  the hands of a bad driver, a Jetta is dangerous.  
The problem is not  the horsepower though, that's like saying the problem

with guns is all  the bullets... (hope this stays on topic after 
that)...  I am a firm  believer that in the US of A, driver training is 
abysmal, no one should  learn anything more than the rules for dodge ball

and the proper form  of a sit up from their gym teacher...  We Americans 
start out with  terrible training and then spend the rest of our lives 
adding bad habits  to that poor training.  I know many adults who could 
not manage to  parallel park to save their lives.  Take the bad training 
and habits  and throw in a total lack of regard for your fellow man and 
you have a bit  of a dangerous situation.   Before you point fingers at 
all  those kids who are getting bad training... What did you do to 
improve the  same bad training you received?  I learned to drive in the 
UK and  even that was not sufficient training in my opinion...  I pro  
actively went out and attended many driving schools and car control  
clinics right after I got out of college. 

I think that driver  training is changing, here in IL (state of 
corruption that it is) driver  training is probably the most strict in 
the country, they just bumped new  driver seat time requirements from 50 
to 100 hours of logged driving with  a licensed driver (parent) or 
instructor before a license is  granted.  Kids here need to keep a log 
book (like a pilot in  training).  I think that is a step in the right 
direction.  Next  step is mandatory in car testing for the first few 
years of driving, and  retesting at regular intervals (like every 5 
years).  (Hey that would  create jobs too...)  No demonstration of safe 
skills, no  license.  Plain and simple. 

No matter how much training you give,  there will still be someone who's 
skills are exceeded by their egos and  our insurance rates will go up...

I don't blame them anymore than I  blame people in Texas for letting 
black mold grow in their duct works for  raising my insurance rates...  
Rick go check your ducts  man!

:)


Larry B wrote:
> You mean if I hand my wife  the keys to my Ferrari she might not come
back alive? Hmmm.  For as  long as I've owned it she hasn't planted her
rear in the driver's seat, but  this gives me reason to rethink that
position.  
>   
> Okay, just kidding.  Probably.
>  
> LarryDate:  Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:14:12 -0800From:
cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com
> .  . . . Do we really toss the wife the keys to our Ferraris and hope
they  come back alive? 
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