Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Require Driving School? Yes or No?

[Tom Reynolds (kjtar]

We used to have those in Illinois, too, but I haven't been there in so long
I don't know if they still do.  Mike?  Haven't seen any around here
(Oklahoma) but I nearly got run over while walking around downtown Tulsa on
lunch yesterday by a girl driving a SUV coming out of a parking garage and
texting on her cell phone.  Idiots.
Tom Reynolds
Tulsa, OK
(barely)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "E M" <pokiebaron [at] gmail.com>
To: <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Cc: "Ferrarilist" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Require Driving School? Yes or No?


> We have similar signs here in Canada when you get out of the city a bit,
> "Keep right to allow passing".  Mind you, it's hard to see the signs when
> you're sitting in the passing lane. lol
>
> Ed
> 911SC
>
> 2009/2/13 Doug and Terri Anderson <dnt [at] dock.net>
>
> > When in Germany in 1979 - I saw signs on the Autobahn "Fahren Sie
rechts."
> > Drive Right.  Hmmmm, later it was explained to us - Drive Correctly -
Drive
> > on the right side of the highway.  Always liked that double meaning.
> > DOUG
> > (My German may not be correct - so I am open correction - heh heh)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Jenkins" <stevej [at] cheatcodes.com>
> > To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
> > Cc: "Ferrarilist" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Require Driving School? Yes or No?
> >
> >
> > > Someone said this years ago on this list when we were having a
> > > discussion like this:
> > >
> > > "In Germany, they consider driving instruction a right, and driving a
> > > privilege.
> > >
> > > In the US, they consider driving a right, and driving instruction a
> > > privilege. :)"
> > >
> > > Except in Idaho... they just hand you keys as soon as your legs are
long
> > > enough to reach the tractor pedals.
> > >
> > > SJ
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mike Fleischer [mailto:themightytoe [at] gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 7:32 AM
> > > To: Steve Jenkins
> > > Cc: Ferrarilist
> > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Require Driving School? Yes or No?
> > >
> > > OK
> > >
> > > I have been reading this thread for a bit and as an HPDE instructor, I
> > > will put it out there to my Ferrari list pals who I think are a great
> > > and entertaining group...  Would I want to share track time with you
> > > guys on a road course?   Hell no, I value my life too much.
> > >
> > > Bunch of back seat drivers if I ever saw them...  I would be genuinely
> > > surprised to see more than 10% of this list be able to execute a heel
> > > and toe down shift consistently or to run a single lap in any car, let
> > > alone their prized Ferrari at 10/10ths.  Seriously your a bunch of
> > > waxers when it comes to real driving, the PCA and BMW CCA guys would
eat
> > >
> > > your lunches no question.   No question the rides look and sound
better,
> > >
> > > but don't fool yourselves into thinking the 370Z auto rev matching was
> > > not built specifically for you just like those F1 paddles in 80% of
new
> > > Ferrari's.
> > >
> > > As for the ZR1, yeah its a monster of a car, and not for the
> > > inexperienced, but in the hands of a bad driver, a Jetta is dangerous.
> > > The problem is not the horsepower though, that's like saying the
problem
> > >
> > > with guns is all the bullets... (hope this stays on topic after
> > > that)...  I am a firm believer that in the US of A, driver training is
> > > abysmal, no one should learn anything more than the rules for dodge
ball
> > >
> > > and the proper form of a sit up from their gym teacher...  We
Americans
> > > start out with terrible training and then spend the rest of our lives
> > > adding bad habits to that poor training.  I know many adults who could
> > > not manage to parallel park to save their lives.  Take the bad
training
> > > and habits and throw in a total lack of regard for your fellow man and
> > > you have a bit of a dangerous situation.   Before you point fingers at
> > > all those kids who are getting bad training... What did you do to
> > > improve the same bad training you received?  I learned to drive in the
> > > UK and even that was not sufficient training in my opinion...  I pro
> > > actively went out and attended many driving schools and car control
> > > clinics right after I got out of college.
> > >
> > > I think that driver training is changing, here in IL (state of
> > > corruption that it is) driver training is probably the most strict in
> > > the country, they just bumped new driver seat time requirements from
50
> > > to 100 hours of logged driving with a licensed driver (parent) or
> > > instructor before a license is granted.  Kids here need to keep a log
> > > book (like a pilot in training).  I think that is a step in the right
> > > direction.  Next step is mandatory in car testing for the first few
> > > years of driving, and retesting at regular intervals (like every 5
> > > years).  (Hey that would create jobs too...)  No demonstration of safe
> > > skills, no license.  Plain and simple.
> > >
> > > No matter how much training you give, there will still be someone
who's
> > > skills are exceeded by their egos and our insurance rates will go
up...
> > >
> > > I don't blame them anymore than I blame people in Texas for letting
> > > black mold grow in their duct works for raising my insurance rates...
> > > Rick go check your ducts man!
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > >
> > > Larry B wrote:
> > >> You mean if I hand my wife the keys to my Ferrari she might not come
> > > back alive? Hmmm.  For as long as I've owned it she hasn't planted her
> > > rear in the driver's seat, but this gives me reason to rethink that
> > > position.
> > >>
> > >> Okay, just kidding.  Probably.
> > >>
> > >> LarryDate: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:14:12 -0800From:
> > > cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com
> > >> . . . . Do we really toss the wife the keys to our Ferraris and hope
> > > they come back alive?
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