Re: Ferrari - Where's the Passion?
From: itsmemrwright (itsmemrwrightaol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:28:38 -0700 (PDT)
No Ken, I think Bubba's losing it.  <g>l

Nothing we cant fix with a Lamb French Dip from Philippes next month.
Right Bubba? -----Original Message----- From: Ken Rentiers
<rentiers [at] mac.com> To: red5hilser [at] aol.com Cc: francis [at] fntn.co.uk;
francis.newman [at] fntn.co.uk; ItsmeMrWright [at] aol.com;
ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com; Rexnbutchie [at] aol.com Sent: Fri, 29 May 2009
17:16:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion? I
must be losing it - I don't get it either. On May 29, 2009, at 4:21 PM,
red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote:Hey francis: WRONG! Read the question again,
and maybe you'll get it. Sorry, yer pal, Ferrari Bubba -----Original
Message----- From: francis newman To: Bubba Subject: Re: [Ferrari]
Ferrari - Where's the Passion? Unless it's a trick question - Belgian
GP June 18 1967 - the one and only win.    One of the Eagle Weslake
V12s was at GTO Engineering, a ferrari shop a couple of miles from
where I live, having some work done a couple of years ago. Beautiful
car.    Do I get to ask the next question.    Best    Francis    On 29
May 2009, at 15:38, Red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote:    &gt; Hey Phil: I think
that there's more than a fair share of passion &gt; right here in East
Jesus, AR.?  &gt;  &gt; Dos Hermanos Rodriquez? I saw Ricardo win the
under 2 litre class at?&gt; the Times GP at?Riverside in his brand new
Porsche RSK in the late &gt; '50s, and both GTS Doug=2
0and I chatted with
his older brother in the &gt; pits at Laguna Seca after his Can-Am
Ferrari dropped out with he &gt; said, "the fuel pump, she chorted!" 
&gt; ?  &gt; If you or anyone out ther want to play a little F1 or
Ferrari racing &gt; trivia, either on or off line, I'm up to the
challenge.  &gt;  &gt; Trivia Question?1. When and where was Dan
Gurney's F1 Eagle's first &gt; win in Europe?  &gt;  &gt; Any takers??
--? Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba  &gt;  &gt;  &gt; -----Original
Message-----  &gt; From: philville  &gt; Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC:
Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax  &gt;  &gt;  &gt;  &gt; 
&gt; OK, break out the flame throwers, but, I am not quite certain
that  &gt; owning a Ferrari today means the same thing to many of the
owners as  &gt; it did even 5 to 10 years ago....  &gt; At one time it
was a goal, a goal that few ever anticipated  &gt; accomplishing, the
enthusiasts were consumed with owning a Ferrari &gt; now  &gt; I fear
that many are only consumed with consuming and owning....how  &gt; many
people (owners / enthusiasts ) know the serial number of their  &gt;
car? How many can actually recite much of the history of the car or 
&gt; know what the history of the drivers were who was Phil Hill or 
&gt; Grahm Hill or the Rodriguez bros.....and don't even think about
the=C
2 &gt; truly incredible men who raced these cars in the 40's and
&gt; 50's.....or  &gt; about Ferraris efforts at Indy........  &gt; 
&gt; Where is the passion?  &gt; ----- Original Message -----  &gt;
From: rolindsay [at] yahoo.com  &gt; Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:43 pm 
&gt; Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales
&gt; tax  &gt; To: Phil Tegtmeier &lt;philville [at] dejazzd.com&gt;  &gt;
Cc: FerrariList &lt;ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com&gt;  &gt;&gt; I've thought
about that too. Ferrari owners are by definition  &gt;&gt; unique. And
unique isn't allowed in a socialist system. Hummm...  &gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Rick  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt; Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T 
&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----  &gt;&gt; From: "Rick"
&lt;Forza355 [at] verizon.net&gt;  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt; Date: Thu, 28 May 2009
20:54:51  &gt;&gt; To: rolindsay&lt;rolindsay [at] yahoo.com&gt;  &gt;&gt;
Cc: The FerrariList&lt;ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com&gt;  &gt;&gt; Subject:
Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National  &gt;&gt; Sales
tax  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt; I used to think that most people here
on this NG already owned a  &gt;&gt; Ferrari or  &gt;&gt; were inspired
to own one in the future and were likely saving up  &gt;&gt; for the
big  &gt;&gt; day when they could take possession of one. I didn't
realize  &gt;&gt; that there  &gt;&gt; would be so many who20would
rather give more of their income to  &gt;&gt; the BO ,so he  &gt;&gt;
can redistribute it to whatever group of people that BO  &gt;&gt;
desires, instead of  &gt;&gt; them keeping as much of their hard earned
money  &gt; as they can. I  &gt;&gt; don't see  &gt;&gt; how BO's
confiscation of more of their income would help them  &gt;&gt; get to
own a  &gt;&gt; Ferrari any faster. But then maybe it's just me being
selfish  &gt;&gt; for not  &gt;&gt; wanting to buy any more illegal
aliens their free helath care.  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt; -----
Original Message -----  &gt;&gt; From: "Rick Morris"
&lt;rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com&gt;  &gt;&gt; To: "Rick"
&lt;Forza355 [at] verizon.net&gt;  &gt;&gt; Cc: "The FerrariList"
&lt;ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com&gt;  &gt;&gt; Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009
5:38 PM  &gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US
National  &gt;&gt; Sales tax  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt; I hate
to say it, but thinking that BO was going to take it I  &gt;&gt; had
already  &gt;&gt;&gt; started working out moving our operation off
shore. So,  &gt;&gt; his tax increase  &gt;&gt;&gt; will likely see my
taxes drop by 10's of K per year. Yeah-  &gt;&gt; that increase 
&gt;&gt;&gt; will pan our really well for him.  &gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; And it is not a matter of being selfish, as most of the
have-0 &gt;&gt; nots seem to  &gt;&gt;&gt; think. Most of them are the
will-nots, which is why they  &gt;&gt; are have-nots.  &gt;&gt;&gt; I
have no problem helping those that are can-nots- they  &gt;&gt;
absolutely need  &gt;&gt;&gt; the help. I also have no problem in
helping to supply a  &gt;&gt; safety net for  &gt;&gt;&gt; those that
unexpectedly, and through no fault of their own,  &gt;&gt; fall on
hard  &gt;&gt;&gt; times. But that latter group will also be in need
short-  &gt;&gt; term, and not  &gt;&gt;&gt; decide to live off of the
social system. Unfortunately,  &gt;&gt; the Democrats are  &gt;&gt;&gt;
generally socialist minded individuals, and our current Pres I 
&gt;&gt; would have  &gt;&gt;&gt; to say has at least one foot into
communism. Just how  &gt;&gt; much private  &gt;&gt;&gt; business is
our government taking over now?  &gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt;
Incidentally, I too have lived in two systems. Socialism  &gt;&gt;
simply does not  &gt;&gt;&gt; work, and for the reasons previously
stated. It is great  &gt;&gt; in theory, but  &gt;&gt;&gt; falls apart
when you bring the human element into it. I  &gt;&gt; say open the 
&gt;&gt;&gt; border to the north, give people the choice of socialism
or  &gt;&gt; capitalism  &gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt; (heck, the capitalist side
can even pay to move the socialists  &gt;&gt; north), and  &gt;&gt;&gt; =0
D
then lock the border up tight. Lets see who makes it  &gt;&gt; through
the year.  &gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt; (getting down off the soap box
and waiting to see who is up next)  &gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt; Big R 
&gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt; ________________________________ 
&gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt; From: Rick Lindsay
[mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]  &gt;&gt;&gt; Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:43 PM 
&gt;&gt;&gt; To: Rick Morris  &gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC:
Here comes BO's 10 % US National  &gt;&gt; Sales tax  &gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt; No sir. You are
the rick with the BIG R!  &gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt; --- On Thu,
5/28/09, Rick Morris &lt;rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com&gt;  &gt;&gt;
wrote:&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; From: Rick Morris
&lt;rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: Re:
[Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National  &gt;&gt; Sales tax 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; To: "rolindsay" &lt;rolindsay [at] yahoo.com&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Cc: "The FerrariList" &lt;ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 3:37 PM 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Have I been demoted to just 'the  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
other Rick' now? ;-)  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
________________________________  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Sent:
Thu 5/28/2009 3:11 PM  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; To: Rick
Morris 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Cc: The FerrariList  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: Re:
[Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; National Sales
tax  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello Friends,  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We
are obviously of mixed minds  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; here. Discussions like
this are often contested  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; between the "haves" and the
"have-nots". I'm not sure  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that's the case here in
FList land. Most of us 'have'  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to some degree.
Hummm...  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I think it just comes down
to the fact  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that those of us who went to school for a
zillion years,  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; have worked hard all of our lives at
good jobs, paid our  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; bills, paid our taxes, have a
little coin tucked away and  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; have no debt - are being
told that we don't deserve anything  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that we have and
that we need to redistribute it to the  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; people who 
&gt; did NOT study, work, pay bills, pay taxes and  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
save - just so that we can all be equals at some low,  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
marginally acceptable level. That just does not work  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
for me. One doesn't get from life what one  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; deserves.
One gets what one works for. (Please  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; pardon t
he
preposition at the end of the sentence.)  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I know I'm a hard-ass when it comes to 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; this but I've seen both sides. I grew up poor, 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; descended from an even poorer Scottish family. I have 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; relatives who do NOTHING but whine - at least when
their  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Oxycontin starts to wear off - and they get
more government  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; money than any of us - for doing
absolutely NOTHING.  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; They're ignorant and proud of it,
living a lifestyle of "Why  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; work if I can get
government money for free?" That  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; attitude is why
communism and socialism does not work.  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I've lived in
Russia and have seen it first hand. I  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; don't care if
Tim Geitner says, "Soon we won't care how much  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; money
we earn. We'll care about how we live."  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; That's just
naive (and/or more likely, intended for ears  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; other
than ours). Hummm...  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Socialism
feels very "moral high-ground"  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; in concept but it
fails because it is counter to basic  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; evolutionary
forces. Life wants to survive and  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; replicate, even if
at the expense of others. We want  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to win the
race/game/contest even though someone else has to 
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
loose. Its how life works. Just look at what  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; people
watch on network TV! We have to compete and we  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; like
to win! Winning upsets the balance that socialism  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
tries to establish.  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The system
being forced upon us now is  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; counter to all of that.
Its like saying that all the  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; F1 teams can compete but
no one is allowed to win.  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; They must all be equals.
Someone should take all of  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Toyota, Ferrari and
McLaren's money and give it to Force  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; India so that
all of the  &gt; teams will be equals. This  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; concept
violates the Great Truth of the Universe Rule #14:  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
"No two anythings were ever created equal." That  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
includes us, brothers.  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; rick (That's
rick with a small "r", not the other Rick with  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the
big "R")  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
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