Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Ferrari - Where's the Passion?

[red5hilser (red5hilser]

Hey francis: WRONG! Read the question again, and maybe you'll get it.

Sorry, yer pal, Ferrari Bubba


-----Original Message-----
From: francis newman 
To: Bubba
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion?


Unless it's a trick question - Belgian GP June 18 1967 - the one and only win.?
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One of the Eagle Weslake V12s was at GTO Engineering, a ferrari shop a couple 
of miles from where I live, having some work done a couple of years ago. 
Beautiful car.?
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Do I get to ask the next question.?
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Best?
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Francis?
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On 29 May 2009, at 15:38, Red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote:?
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> Hey Phil: I think that there's more than a fair share of passion > right here 
> in East Jesus, AR.??
>?
> Dos Hermanos Rodriquez? I saw Ricardo win the under 2 litre class at?> the 
> Times GP at?Riverside in his brand new Porsche RSK in the late > '50s, and 
> both GTS Doug and I chatted with his older brother in the > pits at Laguna 
> Seca after his Can-Am Ferrari dropped out with he > said, "the fuel pump, she 
> chorted!"?
> ??
> If you or anyone out ther want to play a little F1 or Ferrari racing > 
> trivia, either on or off line, I'm up to the challenge.?
>?
> Trivia Question?1. When and where was Dan Gurney's F1 Eagle's first > win in 
> Europe??
>?
> Any takers?? --? Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba?
>?
>?
> -----Original Message-----?
> From: philville?
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax?
>?
>?
>?
>?
> OK, break out the flame throwers, but, I am not quite certain that?
> owning a Ferrari today means the same thing to many of the owners as?
> it did even 5 to 10 years ago....?
> At one time it was a goal, a goal that few ever anticipated?
> accomplishing, the enthusiasts were consumed with owning a Ferrari > now?
> I fear that many are only consumed with consuming and owning....how?
> many people (owners / enthusiasts ) know the serial number of their?
> car? How many can actually recite much of the history of the car or?
> know what the history of the drivers were who was Phil Hill or?
> Grahm Hill or the Rodriguez bros.....and don't even think about the?
> truly incredible men who raced these cars in the 40's and > 50's.....or?
> about Ferraris efforts at Indy........?
>?
> Where is the passion??
> ----- Original Message -----?
> From: rolindsay [at] yahoo.com?
> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:43 pm?
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales > tax?
> To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>?
> Cc: FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>?
>> I've thought about that too. Ferrari owners are by definition?
>> unique. And unique isn't allowed in a socialist system. Hummm...?
>>?
>> Rick?
>>?
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T?
>>?
>> -----Original Message-----?
>> From: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>?
>>?
>> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:54:51?
>> To: rolindsay<rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>?
>> Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>?
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National?
>> Sales tax?
>>?
>>?
>> I used to think that most people here on this NG already owned a?
>> Ferrari or?
>> were inspired to own one in the future and were likely saving up?
>> for the big?
>> day when they could take possession of one. I didn't realize?
>> that there?
>> would be so many who would rather give more of their income to?
>> the BO ,so he?
>> can redistribute it to whatever group of people that BO?
>> desires, instead of?
>> them keeping as much of their hard earned money?
> as they can. I?
>> don't see?
>> how BO's confiscation of more of their income would help them?
>> get to own a?
>> Ferrari any faster. But then maybe it's just me being selfish?
>> for not?
>> wanting to buy any more illegal aliens their free helath care.?
>>?
>>?
>> ----- Original Message -----?
>> From: "Rick Morris" <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>?
>> To: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>?
>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>?
>> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:38 PM?
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National?
>> Sales tax?
>>?
>>?
>>> I hate to say it, but thinking that BO was going to take it I?
>> had already?
>>> started working out moving our operation off shore. So,?
>> his tax increase?
>>> will likely see my taxes drop by 10's of K per year. Yeah-?
>> that increase?
>>> will pan our really well for him.?
>>>?
>>> And it is not a matter of being selfish, as most of the have-?
>> nots seem to?
>>> think. Most of them are the will-nots, which is why they?
>> are have-nots.?
>>> I have no problem helping those that are can-nots- they?
>> absolutely need?
>>> the help. I also have no problem in helping to supply a?
>> safety net for?
>>> those that unexpectedly, and through no fault of their own,?
>> fall on hard?
>>> times. But that latter group will also be in need short-?
>> term, and not?
>>> decide to live off of the social system. Unfortunately,?
>> the Democrats are?
>>> generally socialist minded individuals, and our current Pres I?
>> would have?
>>> to say has at least one foot into communism. Just how?
>> much private?
>>> business is our government taking over now??
>>>?
>>> Incidentally, I too have lived in two systems. Socialism?
>> simply does not?
>>> work, and for the reasons previously stated. It is great?
>> in theory, but?
>>> falls apart when you bring the human element into it. I?
>> say open the?
>>> border to the north, give people the choice of socialism or?
>> capitalism?
>?
>>> (heck, the capitalist side can even pay to move the socialists?
>> north), and?
>>> then lock the border up tight. Lets see who makes it?
>> through the year.?
>>>?
>>> (getting down off the soap box and waiting to see who is up next)?
>>>?
>>> Big R?
>>>?
>>> ________________________________?
>>>?
>>> From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]?
>>> Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:43 PM?
>>> To: Rick Morris?
>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National?
>> Sales tax?
>>>?
>>>?
>>>?
>>>?
>>> No sir. You are the rick with the BIG R!?
>>>?
>>> --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>?
>> wrote:>?
>>>> From: Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>?
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National?
>> Sales tax?
>>>> To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>?
>>>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>?
>>>> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 3:37 PM?
>>>> Have I been demoted to just 'the?
>>>> other Rick' now? ;-)?
>>>>?
>>>> ________________________________?
>>>>?
>>>> From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]?
>>>> Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:11 PM?
>>>> To: Rick Morris?
>>>> Cc: The FerrariList?
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US?
>>>> National Sales tax?
>>>>?
>>>>?
>>>>?
>>>>?
>>>> Hello Friends,?
>>>> We are obviously of mixed minds?
>>>> here. Discussions like this are often contested?
>>>> between the "haves" and the "have-nots". I'm not sure?
>>>> that's the case here in FList land. Most of us 'have'?
>>>> to some degree. Hummm...?
>>>>?
>>>> I think it just comes down to the fact?
>>>> that those of us who went to school for a zillion years,?
>>>> have worked hard all of our lives at good jobs, paid our?
>>>> bills, paid our taxes, have a little coin tucked away and?
>>>> have no debt - are being told that we don't deserve anything?
>>>> that we have and that we need to redistribute it to the?
>>>> people who?
> did NOT study, work, pay bills, pay taxes and?
>>>> save - just so that we can all be equals at some low,?
>>>> marginally acceptable level. That just does not work?
>>>> for me. One doesn't get from life what one?
>>>> deserves. One gets what one works for. (Please?
>>>> pardon the preposition at the end of the sentence.)?
>>>>?
>>>> I know I'm a hard-ass when it comes to?
>>>> this but I've seen both sides. I grew up poor,?
>>>> descended from an even poorer Scottish family. I have?
>>>> relatives who do NOTHING but whine - at least when their?
>>>> Oxycontin starts to wear off - and they get more government?
>>>> money than any of us - for doing absolutely NOTHING.?
>>>> They're ignorant and proud of it, living a lifestyle of "Why?
>>>> work if I can get government money for free?" That?
>>>> attitude is why communism and socialism does not work.?
>>>> I've lived in Russia and have seen it first hand. I?
>>>> don't care if Tim Geitner says, "Soon we won't care how much?
>>>> money we earn. We'll care about how we live."?
>>>> That's just naive (and/or more likely, intended for ears?
>>>> other than ours). Hummm...?
>>>>?
>>>> Socialism feels very "moral high-ground"?
>>>> in concept but it fails because it is counter to basic?
>>>> evolutionary forces. Life wants to survive and?
>>>> replicate, even if at the expense of others. We want?
>>>> to win the race/game/contest even though someone else has to?
>>>> loose. Its how life works. Just look at what?
>>>> people watch on network TV! We have to compete and we?
>>>> like to win! Winning upsets the balance that socialism?
>>>> tries to establish.?
>>>>?
>>>> The system being forced upon us now is?
>>>> counter to all of that. Its like saying that all the?
>>>> F1 teams can compete but no one is allowed to win.?
>>>> They must all be equals. Someone should take all of?
>>>> Toyota, Ferrari and McLaren's money and give it to Force?
>>>> India so that all of the?
> teams will be equals. This?
>>>> concept violates the Great Truth of the Universe Rule #14:?
>>>> "No two anythings were ever created equal." That?
>>>> includes us, brothers.?
>>>>?
>>>> rick (That's rick with a small "r", not the other Rick with?
>>>> the big "R")?
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