Ferrari Mailing List: Ferrari - Where's the Passion?

[red5hilser (red5hilser]

Hey Phil: I think that there's more than a fair share of passion right here in 
East Jesus, AR.?

Dos Hermanos Rodriquez? I saw Ricardo win the under 2 litre class at?the Times 
GP at?Riverside in his brand new Porsche RSK in the late '50s, and both GTS 
Doug and I chatted with his older brother in the pits at Laguna Seca after his 
Can-Am Ferrari dropped out with he said, "the fuel pump, she chorted!"
?
If you or anyone out ther want to play a little F1 or Ferrari racing trivia, 
either on or off line, I'm up to the challenge.

Trivia Question?1. When and where was Dan Gurney's F1 Eagle's first win in 
Europe?

Any takers?? --? Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba


-----Original Message-----
From: philville 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax




   OK, break out the flame throwers, but, I am not quite certain that
   owning a Ferrari today means the same thing to many of the owners as
   it did even 5 to 10 years ago....
   At one time it was a goal, a goal that few ever anticipated
   accomplishing, the enthusiasts were consumed with owning a Ferrari now
   I fear that many are only consumed with consuming and owning....how
   many people (owners / enthusiasts ) know the serial number of their
   car? How many can actually recite much of the history of the car or
   know what the history of the drivers were who was Phil Hill or
   Grahm Hill or the Rodriguez bros.....and don't even think about the
   truly incredible men who raced these cars in the 40's and 50's.....or
   about Ferraris efforts at Indy........

   Where is the passion?
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: rolindsay [at] yahoo.com
   Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:43 pm
   Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax
   To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
   Cc: FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > I've thought about that too. Ferrari owners are by definition
   > unique.  And unique isn't allowed in a socialist system. Hummm...
   >
   > Rick
   >
   > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
   >
   > Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:54:51
   > To: rolindsay<rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
   > Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
   > Sales tax
   >
   >
   > I used to think that most people here on this NG already owned a
   > Ferrari or
   > were inspired to own one in the future and were likely saving up
   > for the big
   > day when they could take possession of one. I didn't realize
   > that there
   > would be so many who would rather give more of their income to
   > the BO ,so he
   > can redistribute it to whatever group of people that  BO
   > desires, instead of
   > them keeping as much of their hard earned money
 as they can. I
   > don't see
   > how BO's confiscation of more of their income would help them
   > get to own  a
   > Ferrari any faster. But then maybe it's just me being selfish
   > for not
   > wanting to buy any more illegal aliens their free helath care.
   >
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: "Rick Morris" <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>
   > To: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
   > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:38 PM
   > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
   > Sales tax
   >
   >
   > >I hate to say it, but thinking that BO was going to take it I
   > had already
   > >started working out moving our operation off shore.  So,
   > his tax increase
   > >will likely see my taxes drop by 10's of K per year.  Yeah-
   > that increase
   > >will pan our really well for him.
   > >
   > > And it is not a matter of being selfish, as most of the have-
   > nots seem to
   > > think.  Most of them are the will-nots, which is why they
   > are have-nots.
   > > I have no problem helping those that are can-nots- they
   > absolutely need
   > > the help.  I also have no problem in helping to supply a
   > safety net for
   > > those that unexpectedly, and through no fault of their own,
   > fall on hard
   > > times.  But that latter group will also be in need short-
   > term, and not
   > > decide to live off of the social system.  Unfortunately,
   > the Democrats are
   > > generally socialist minded individuals, and our current Pres I
   > would have
   > > to say has at least one foot into communism.  Just how
   > much private
   > > business is our government taking over now?
   > >
   > > Incidentally, I too have lived in two systems.  Socialism
   > simply does not
   > > work, and for the reasons previously stated.  It is great
   > in theory, but
   > > falls apart when you bring the human element into it.  I
   > say open the
   > > border to the north, give people the choice of socialism or
   > capitalism
   
> > (heck, the capitalist side can even pay to move the socialists
   > north), and
   > > then lock the border up tight.  Lets see who makes it
   > through the year.
   > >
   > > (getting down off the soap box and waiting to see who is up next)
   > >
   > > Big R
   > >
   > > ________________________________
   > >
   > > From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]
   > > Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:43 PM
   > > To: Rick Morris
   > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
   > Sales tax
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > No sir.  You are the rick with the BIG R!
   > >
   > > --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>
   > wrote:>
   > >> From: Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>
   > >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
   > Sales tax
   > >> To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
   > >> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > >> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 3:37 PM
   > >> Have I been demoted to just 'the
   > >> other Rick' now?  ;-)
   > >>
   > >> ________________________________
   > >>
   > >> From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]
   > >> Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:11 PM
   > >> To: Rick Morris
   > >> Cc: The FerrariList
   > >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US
   > >> National Sales tax
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>
   > >> Hello Friends,
   > >>    We are obviously of mixed minds
   > >> here.  Discussions like this are often contested
   > >> between the "haves" and the "have-nots".  I'm not sure
   > >> that's the case here in FList land.  Most of us 'have'
   > >> to some degree.  Hummm...
   > >>
   > >>    I think it just comes down to the fact
   > >> that those of us who went to school for a zillion years,
   > >> have worked hard all of our lives at good jobs, paid our
   > >> bills, paid our taxes, have a little coin tucked away and
   > >> have no debt - are being told that we don't deserve anything
   > >> that we have and that we need to redistribute it to the
   > >> people who 
did NOT study, work, pay bills, pay taxes and
   > >> save - just so that we can all be equals at some low,
   > >> marginally acceptable level.  That just does not work
   > >> for me.  One doesn't get from life what one
   > >> deserves.  One gets what one works for.  (Please
   > >> pardon the preposition at the end of the sentence.)
   > >>
   > >>    I know I'm a hard-ass when it comes to
   > >> this but I've seen both sides.  I grew up poor,
   > >> descended from an even poorer Scottish family.  I have
   > >> relatives who do NOTHING but whine - at least when their
   > >> Oxycontin starts to wear off - and they get more government
   > >> money than any of us - for doing absolutely NOTHING.
   > >> They're ignorant and proud of it, living a lifestyle of "Why
   > >> work if I can get government money for free?"  That
   > >> attitude is why communism and socialism does not work.
   > >> I've lived in Russia and have seen it first hand.  I
   > >> don't care if Tim Geitner says, "Soon we won't care how much
   > >> money we earn.  We'll care about how we live."
   > >> That's just naive (and/or more likely, intended for ears
   > >> other than ours).   Hummm...
   > >>
   > >>    Socialism feels very "moral high-ground"
   > >> in concept but it fails because it is counter to basic
   > >> evolutionary forces.  Life wants to survive and
   > >> replicate, even if at the expense of others.  We want
   > >> to win the race/game/contest even though someone else has to
   > >> loose.  Its how life works.  Just look at what
   > >> people watch on network TV!  We have to compete and we
   > >> like to win!  Winning upsets the balance that socialism
   > >> tries to establish.
   > >>
   > >>    The system being forced upon us now is
   > >> counter to all of that.  Its like saying that all the
   > >> F1 teams can compete but no one is allowed to win.
   > >> They must all be equals.  Someone should take all of
   > >> Toyota, Ferrari and McLaren's money and give it to Force
   > >> India so that all of the 
teams will be equals.  This
   > >> concept violates the Great Truth of the Universe Rule #14:
   > >> "No two anythings were ever created equal."  That
   > >> includes us, brothers.
   > >>
   > >> rick (That's rick with a small "r", not the other Rick with
   > >> the big "R")
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