Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Ferrari - Where's the Passion?

[Larry B (larrybard]

Maybe it's a trick question because he's asking for the first European victory 
of that particular car -- not that particular driver?
 
> From: rentiers [at] mac.com
> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:16:31 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion?
> CC: francis [at] fntn.co.uk; ItsmeMrWright [at] aol.com; ferrari [at] 
> ferrarilist.com; Rexnbutchie [at] aol.com
> To: larrybard [at] hotmail.com
> 
> I must be losing it - I don't get it either.
> 
> 
> On May 29, 2009, at 4:21 PM, red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Hey francis: WRONG! Read the question again, and maybe you'll get it.
> >
> > Sorry, yer pal, Ferrari Bubba
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: francis newman
> > To: Bubba
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari - Where's the Passion?
> >
> > Unless it's a trick question - Belgian GP June 18 1967 - the one and 
> > only win.
> >
> > One of the Eagle Weslake V12s was at GTO Engineering, a ferrari shop 
> > a couple of miles from where I live, having some work done a couple 
> > of years ago. Beautiful car.
> >
> > Do I get to ask the next question.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Francis
> >
> > On 29 May 2009, at 15:38, Red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Phil: I think that there's more than a fair share of passion > 
> > right here in East Jesus, AR.?
> > >
> > > Dos Hermanos Rodriquez? I saw Ricardo win the under 2 litre class 
> > at?> the Times GP at?Riverside in his brand new Porsche RSK in the 
> > late > '50s, and both GTS Doug and I chatted with his older brother 
> > in the > pits at Laguna Seca after his Can-Am Ferrari dropped out 
> > with he > said, "the fuel pump, she chorted!"
> > > ?
> > > If you or anyone out ther want to play a little F1 or Ferrari 
> > racing > trivia, either on or off line, I'm up to the challenge.
> > >
> > > Trivia Question?1. When and where was Dan Gurney's F1 Eagle's 
> > first > win in Europe?
> > >
> > > Any takers?? --? Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: philville
> > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales 
> > tax
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, break out the flame throwers, but, I am not quite certain that
> > > owning a Ferrari today means the same thing to many of the owners as
> > > it did even 5 to 10 years ago....
> > > At one time it was a goal, a goal that few ever anticipated
> > > accomplishing, the enthusiasts were consumed with owning a Ferrari 
> > > now
> > > I fear that many are only consumed with consuming and owning....how
> > > many people (owners / enthusiasts ) know the serial number of their
> > > car? How many can actually recite much of the history of the car or
> > > know what the history of the drivers were who was Phil Hill or
> > > Grahm Hill or the Rodriguez bros.....and don't even think about the
> > > truly incredible men who raced these cars in the 40's and > 
> > 50's.....or
> > > about Ferraris efforts at Indy........
> > >
> > > Where is the passion?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: rolindsay [at] yahoo.com
> > > Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:43 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales 
> > > tax
> > > To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
> > > Cc: FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > >> I've thought about that too. Ferrari owners are by definition
> > >> unique. And unique isn't allowed in a socialist system. Hummm...
> > >>
> > >> Rick
> > >>
> > >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
> > >>
> > >> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:54:51
> > >> To: rolindsay<rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
> > >> Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
> > >> Sales tax
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I used to think that most people here on this NG already owned a
> > >> Ferrari or
> > >> were inspired to own one in the future and were likely saving up
> > >> for the big
> > >> day when they could take possession of one. I didn't realize
> > >> that there
> > >> would be so many who would rather give more of their income to
> > >> the BO ,so he
> > >> can redistribute it to whatever group of people that BO
> > >> desires, instead of
> > >> them keeping as much of their hard earned money
> > > as they can. I
> > >> don't see
> > >> how BO's confiscation of more of their income would help them
> > >> get to own a
> > >> Ferrari any faster. But then maybe it's just me being selfish
> > >> for not
> > >> wanting to buy any more illegal aliens their free helath care.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Rick Morris" <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>
> > >> To: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
> > >> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:38 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
> > >> Sales tax
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> I hate to say it, but thinking that BO was going to take it I
> > >> had already
> > >>> started working out moving our operation off shore. So,
> > >> his tax increase
> > >>> will likely see my taxes drop by 10's of K per year. Yeah-
> > >> that increase
> > >>> will pan our really well for him.
> > >>>
> > >>> And it is not a matter of being selfish, as most of the have-
> > >> nots seem to
> > >>> think. Most of them are the will-nots, which is why they
> > >> are have-nots.
> > >>> I have no problem helping those that are can-nots- they
> > >> absolutely need
> > >>> the help. I also have no problem in helping to supply a
> > >> safety net for
> > >>> those that unexpectedly, and through no fault of their own,
> > >> fall on hard
> > >>> times. But that latter group will also be in need short-
> > >> term, and not
> > >>> decide to live off of the social system. Unfortunately,
> > >> the Democrats are
> > >>> generally socialist minded individuals, and our current Pres I
> > >> would have
> > >>> to say has at least one foot into communism. Just how
> > >> much private
> > >>> business is our government taking over now?
> > >>>
> > >>> Incidentally, I too have lived in two systems. Socialism
> > >> simply does not
> > >>> work, and for the reasons previously stated. It is great
> > >> in theory, but
> > >>> falls apart when you bring the human element into it. I
> > >> say open the
> > >>> border to the north, give people the choice of socialism or
> > >> capitalism
> > >
> > >>> (heck, the capitalist side can even pay to move the socialists
> > >> north), and
> > >>> then lock the border up tight. Lets see who makes it
> > >> through the year.
> > >>>
> > >>> (getting down off the soap box and waiting to see who is up next)
> > >>>
> > >>> Big R
> > >>>
> > >>> ________________________________
> > >>>
> > >>> From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]
> > >>> Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:43 PM
> > >>> To: Rick Morris
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
> > >> Sales tax
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> No sir. You are the rick with the BIG R!
> > >>>
> > >>> --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>
> > >> wrote:>
> > >>>> From: Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
> > >> Sales tax
> > >>>> To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
> > >>>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > >>>> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 3:37 PM
> > >>>> Have I been demoted to just 'the
> > >>>> other Rick' now? ;-)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ________________________________
> > >>>>
> > >>>> From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]
> > >>>> Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:11 PM
> > >>>> To: Rick Morris
> > >>>> Cc: The FerrariList
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US
> > >>>> National Sales tax
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hello Friends,
> > >>>> We are obviously of mixed minds
> > >>>> here. Discussions like this are often contested
> > >>>> between the "haves" and the "have-nots". I'm not sure
> > >>>> that's the case here in FList land. Most of us 'have'
> > >>>> to some degree. Hummm...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think it just comes down to the fact
> > >>>> that those of us who went to school for a zillion years,
> > >>>> have worked hard all of our lives at good jobs, paid our
> > >>>> bills, paid our taxes, have a little coin tucked away and
> > >>>> have no debt - are being told that we don't deserve anything
> > >>>> that we have and that we need to redistribute it to the
> > >>>> people who
> > > did NOT study, work, pay bills, pay taxes and
> > >>>> save - just so that we can all be equals at some low,
> > >>>> marginally acceptable level. That just does not work
> > >>>> for me. One doesn't get from life what one
> > >>>> deserves. One gets what one works for. (Please
> > >>>> pardon the preposition at the end of the sentence.)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I know I'm a hard-ass when it comes to
> > >>>> this but I've seen both sides. I grew up poor,
> > >>>> descended from an even poorer Scottish family. I have
> > >>>> relatives who do NOTHING but whine - at least when their
> > >>>> Oxycontin starts to wear off - and they get more government
> > >>>> money than any of us - for doing absolutely NOTHING.
> > >>>> They're ignorant and proud of it, living a lifestyle of "Why
> > >>>> work if I can get government money for free?" That
> > >>>> attitude is why communism and socialism does not work.
> > >>>> I've lived in Russia and have seen it first hand. I
> > >>>> don't care if Tim Geitner says, "Soon we won't care how much
> > >>>> money we earn. We'll care about how we live."
> > >>>> That's just naive (and/or more likely, intended for ears
> > >>>> other than ours). Hummm...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Socialism feels very "moral high-ground"
> > >>>> in concept but it fails because it is counter to basic
> > >>>> evolutionary forces. Life wants to survive and
> > >>>> replicate, even if at the expense of others. We want
> > >>>> to win the race/game/contest even though someone else has to
> > >>>> loose. Its how life works. Just look at what
> > >>>> people watch on network TV! We have to compete and we
> > >>>> like to win! Winning upsets the balance that socialism
> > >>>> tries to establish.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The system being forced upon us now is
> > >>>> counter to all of that. Its like saying that all the
> > >>>> F1 teams can compete but no one is allowed to win.
> > >>>> They must all be equals. Someone should take all of
> > >>>> Toyota, Ferrari and McLaren's money and give it to Force
> > >>>> India so that all of the
> > > teams will be equals. This
> > >>>> concept violates the Great Truth of the Universe Rule #14:
> > >>>> "No two anythings were ever created equal." That
> > >>>> includes us, brothers.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> rick (That's rick with a small "r", not the other Rick with
> > >>>> the big "R")
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