Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Ferrari

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Unless it's a trick question - Belgian GP June 18 1967 - the one and  

only win.

One of the Eagle Weslake  V12s was at GTO Engineering, a ferrari shop  

a couple of miles from where I live, having some work done a couple of  

years ago. Beautiful car.

Do I get to ask the next question.

Best

Francis

On 29 May 2009, at 15:38, Red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote:

Hey Phil: I think that there's more than a fair share of passion  

right here in East Jesus, AR.?

Dos Hermanos Rodriquez? I saw Ricardo win the under 2 litre class at? 

the Times GP at?Riverside in his brand new Porsche RSK in the late  

'50s, and both GTS Doug and I chatted with his older brother in the  

pits at Laguna Seca after his Can-Am Ferrari dropped out with he  

said, "the fuel pump, she chorted!"

?

If you or anyone out ther want to play a little F1 or Ferrari racing  

trivia, either on or off line, I'm up to the challenge.

Trivia Question?1. When and where was Dan Gurney's F1 Eagle's first  

win in Europe?

Any takers?? --? Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba

-----Original Message-----
From: philville
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax

  OK, break out the flame throwers, but, I am not quite certain that
  owning a Ferrari today means the same thing to many of the owners as
  it did even 5 to 10 years ago....
  At one time it was a goal, a goal that few ever anticipated

  accomplishing, the enthusiasts were consumed with owning a Ferrari  

now

  I fear that many are only consumed with consuming and owning....how
  many people (owners / enthusiasts ) know the serial number of their
  car? How many can actually recite much of the history of the car or
  know what the history of the drivers were who was Phil Hill or
  Grahm Hill or the Rodriguez bros.....and don't even think about the

  truly incredible men who raced these cars in the 40's and  

50's.....or

  about Ferraris efforts at Indy........

  Where is the passion?
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: rolindsay [at] yahoo.com
  Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:43 pm

  Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales  

tax

  To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
  Cc: FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>

I've thought about that too. Ferrari owners are by definition
unique.  And unique isn't allowed in a socialist system. Hummm...

Rick

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>

Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:54:51
To: rolindsay<rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
Sales tax

I used to think that most people here on this NG already owned a
Ferrari or
were inspired to own one in the future and were likely saving up
for the big
day when they could take possession of one. I didn't realize
that there
would be so many who would rather give more of their income to
the BO ,so he
can redistribute it to whatever group of people that  BO
desires, instead of
them keeping as much of their hard earned money

as they can. I

don't see
how BO's confiscation of more of their income would help them
get to own  a
Ferrari any faster. But then maybe it's just me being selfish
for not
wanting to buy any more illegal aliens their free helath care.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Morris" <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>
To: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
Sales tax

I hate to say it, but thinking that BO was going to take it I

had already

started working out moving our operation off shore.  So,

his tax increase

will likely see my taxes drop by 10's of K per year.  Yeah-

that increase

will pan our really well for him.

And it is not a matter of being selfish, as most of the have-

nots seem to

think.  Most of them are the will-nots, which is why they

are have-nots.

I have no problem helping those that are can-nots- they

absolutely need

the help.  I also have no problem in helping to supply a

safety net for

those that unexpectedly, and through no fault of their own,

fall on hard

times.  But that latter group will also be in need short-

term, and not

decide to live off of the social system.  Unfortunately,

the Democrats are

generally socialist minded individuals, and our current Pres I

would have

to say has at least one foot into communism.  Just how

much private

business is our government taking over now?

Incidentally, I too have lived in two systems.  Socialism

simply does not

work, and for the reasons previously stated.  It is great

in theory, but

falls apart when you bring the human element into it.  I

say open the

border to the north, give people the choice of socialism or

capitalism

(heck, the capitalist side can even pay to move the socialists

north), and

then lock the border up tight.  Lets see who makes it

through the year.

(getting down off the soap box and waiting to see who is up next)

Big R

________________________________

From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]
Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:43 PM
To: Rick Morris
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National

Sales tax

No sir.  You are the rick with the BIG R!

--- On Thu, 5/28/09, Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>

wrote:>

From: Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National

Sales tax

To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 3:37 PM
Have I been demoted to just 'the
other Rick' now?  ;-)

________________________________

From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]
Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:11 PM
To: Rick Morris
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US
National Sales tax

Hello Friends,
  We are obviously of mixed minds
here.  Discussions like this are often contested
between the "haves" and the "have-nots".  I'm not sure
that's the case here in FList land.  Most of us 'have'
to some degree.  Hummm...

  I think it just comes down to the fact
that those of us who went to school for a zillion years,
have worked hard all of our lives at good jobs, paid our
bills, paid our taxes, have a little coin tucked away and
have no debt - are being told that we don't deserve anything
that we have and that we need to redistribute it to the
people who

did NOT study, work, pay bills, pay taxes and

save - just so that we can all be equals at some low,
marginally acceptable level.  That just does not work
for me.  One doesn't get from life what one
deserves.  One gets what one works for.  (Please
pardon the preposition at the end of the sentence.)

  I know I'm a hard-ass when it comes to
this but I've seen both sides.  I grew up poor,
descended from an even poorer Scottish family.  I have
relatives who do NOTHING but whine - at least when their
Oxycontin starts to wear off - and they get more government
money than any of us - for doing absolutely NOTHING.
They're ignorant and proud of it, living a lifestyle of "Why
work if I can get government money for free?"  That
attitude is why communism and socialism does not work.
I've lived in Russia and have seen it first hand.  I
don't care if Tim Geitner says, "Soon we won't care how much
money we earn.  We'll care about how we live."
That's just naive (and/or more likely, intended for ears
other than ours).   Hummm...

  Socialism feels very "moral high-ground"
in concept but it fails because it is counter to basic
evolutionary forces.  Life wants to survive and
replicate, even if at the expense of others.  We want
to win the race/game/contest even though someone else has to
loose.  Its how life works.  Just look at what
people watch on network TV!  We have to compete and we
like to win!  Winning upsets the balance that socialism
tries to establish.

  The system being forced upon us now is
counter to all of that.  Its like saying that all the
F1 teams can compete but no one is allowed to win.
They must all be equals.  Someone should take all of
Toyota, Ferrari and McLaren's money and give it to Force
India so that all of the

teams will be equals.  This

concept violates the Great Truth of the Universe Rule #14:
"No two anythings were ever created equal."  That
includes us, brothers.

rick (That's rick with a small "r", not the other Rick with
the big "R")
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Re: Ferrari - Where's the Passion?	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: francis newman (francisfntn.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:52:34 -0700 (PDT)