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Re: Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1
From: LarryT (l02turnercomcast.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:23:58 -0700 (PDT) 
   Yeah, I remember the good old days when drivers *drove* as much
as they wanted.  LeMans often had current F1 stars driving.  They also
drove Indy cars, Saloons, Hill Climbs and specials like the Targa and
the Mille Miglia. I can stilll picture J Clark in all different kinds of cars. 
From Lotus Cortinas to Jag Mk IIs to Lotus F2.


   Now, Bernie will only allow the driver to drive in F1 - probably because
he doesn't get paid when they drive elsewhere.
Yeah, it was interesting to hear Monaco's response. Of course, Ferrari is 
the home grown favorite at Monaco and I guess it might be considered
the Ferrari hometrack.  If you don't count Monza ;-\

   I wonder what Monza will do?  They're scheduled for Sept 11-13.

LarryT

When Ted Kennedy goes to Cuba for
health care I might consider socialized
medicene.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sherman" <sherman [at] wildblue.net> 
To: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1
The tracks have contracts with Bernie/FIA/Max at least at Indy they had to pony up millions to Bernie, who shared(?) it with the teams and sold the TV rights, The FIA certified tha event for a fee and Max enforced the rules (remember the 6 car race at Indy. Bernie's number 1 goal is MONEY that is why venues with deep pockets and less fans get on the schedule. Indy, Montreal sold more tickets than most of the new tracks, but tracks promoters lost money. 
When Honda quit the Berme and the FIA apparenty were powerless.
The biggiest card they have to play is License's to the tracks and drivers. Most of the drivers in F1 drive in more than 1 series, Lemans for example and if they lost there license they would not be allowed to drive. Many of the F1 tracks don't host races except when F1 comes to town Turkey for example. The surprise to me was Monaco's response NO Ferrari, NO RACE this morning on speed. 

Stephen
----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net> 
To: "Stephen" <sherman [at] wildblue.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1



Who controls the track rights?  Is that a Bernie/Max thing?  I am always
amazed at how Bernie just kind of took over the TV rights thing - he had no 
team -  to me he just seemed like a "hanger on" until he grabbed those TV
rights.

Anyway, back to the issue - seems like it was Bernie who controlled the
tracks and TV rights making this kind of coup difficult.  But I haven't
followed F1 as a fanatic fan since the mid 90s so I'm not sure of all the
facts.

It will make for a interesting season/s.  I didn;t notice a time for the
pull out of Ferrari, McLaren and Brawn along with 5 others -  but I guess
more details will come -
As an aside, it's laughable to see eBays automatic advertising on searches - 
like this one when I did a F1 search --
<<Shop F1 Racing. Great deals on F1 Racing!
www.eBayMotors.com>>

Anyone going to buy a F1 team on eBay?  <LOL>

Below is another news story I found with more details  -

"When Ted Kennedy goes to Cuba for
health care I might consider socialized
medicene."

NEWS STORY
<<Rival series would fix F1 for good

AP FILE PHOTO
Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo after a meeting of the Formula One
Teams Association (FOTA) in Monaco on Friday, May 22, 2009.
Series of breakaway Grand Prix races would force FIA's Max Mosley to finally 
step aside
Jun 15, 2009 08:47 AM
Comments on this story  (1)
Norris McDonald
Motorsport Writer

Although there won't be a Grand Prix until next weekend, the most
significant motorsport event of last weekend involved Formula One and the
threat to create a breakaway series.
Yes, the 24 Hours of Le Mans was held (Peugeot won), Andrew Ranger won the NASCAR Canadian Tire race at Mosport and Mark Martin won a dramatic NASCAR 
Sprint Cup race at Michigan, but Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo's
almost-declaration of war against FIA president Max Mosley trumps everything 
else.

Insurrections against FIA presidents are nothing new. Mosley became
president in 1993 after Jean-Marie Balestre was forced to step down.
Balestre did many good things for motorsport but there were suspicions that 
he rigged the result of the 1989 world championship in favour of his
countryman, Alain Prost, and by the early 1990s he was acting strangely. He 
was personally authorizing paddock and pit passes for beauty queens on
roller skates, not to mention the toy poodles they carried, and people were 
wondering aloud if he was losing his mind..

In short, he became an embarrassment and had to go.
It's now 2009 and Mosley has turned into Balestre. He has obviously decided 
that the best way to salvage his tattered reputation is to show the world
how tough and powerful a man he really is despite those shortcomings.
So he's done everything possible to upset the established Formula One teams, 
from manipulating technical regulations (hello, double diffusers) to
imposing a cap on spending. On the surface, the cap might look reasonable
considering the recession, but internally it's unacceptable because a
prerequisite of involvement in Formula One is the ability to attract, and
subsequently spend, huge amounts of money.
Ferrari and the other "old guard" teams recently formed a new organization 
called the Formula One Teams Association (FOTA) to represent the teams in
dealing with the FIA. FOTA has since kicked out two of its members -
Williams and Force India - because they submitted entries for the 2010 world 
championship after the organization had decided against it.
Then, last Friday, the FIA released a list of 2010 entries, which included some new teams but listed Ferrari, McLaren, et al, as being "provisional." 
Di Montezemolo hit the roof over that one, because FOTA had specifically
warned the FIA against doing just that.

So the Ferrari president once again brought up the possibility of a
breakaway series and Mosley said, in so many words: "Go ahead. In fact, I
double-dare you."
So there the matter sits. FOTA has asked the World Motorsport Council to get involved. F1 guru Bernie Ecclestone is asking everybody to please calm down.
And I say this: If Mosley won't back down, FOTA should run its own series. 

The way things stand now, F1 will not be back to North America any time
soon. But a breakaway Grand Prix series sure would. Montreal and
Indianapolis would be back on the calendar lickety-split and nothing but
good would come of that.

And despite what some people are suggesting, this would not turn into a
long-standing CART-IRL spat. Within a year, maybe two at the most, Mosley
would be forced to resign and whoever the new FIA leader turns out to be
would very quickly get everybody back on the same page.
Mosley would be gone and Montreal would be back on the calendar. Who could 
argue against that?>>

Have a nice Friday
LarryT
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Saidel" <Ferrarisimo [at] Comcast.net> 
To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:22 PM
Subject: [Ferrari] Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1



Hot off UPI - 8 FOTA teams officially pulling out of F1 - starting new
series ...

http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2009/06/18/Eight-teams-plan-to-leave-Formula-One/UPI-68161245374886/
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