Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1

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Hi Hans,

   Evidently things have changed - but at one time I recall Bernie refused 

to allow active F1 drivers to participate in other series - threatened them 

with a loss of their locense.  Perhaps his mind is on other things at the 

moment. ;-)

   I recall reading he moved some event dates to conflict.  OK, I'll grant 

you Bourdais - but that's 1 out of a whole bunch.  Lots of prior F1 drivers 

though - along with the sons of several F1 drivers of past - Senna, Prost 

and Nigel progeny were at Le Mans.

   Hopefully F1 drivers are well integrated into other series - most 

sincerely love to drive anything & everything and getting paid to drive is 

something they truely enjoy.

Thanks for helping me with what's happpening presently in F1 - I seldom pay 

attention anymore.

LarryT

When Ted Kennedy goes to Cuba for
health care I might consider socialized
medicene.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Hans E. Hansen" <FList [at] hanshansen.org>

To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1

Huh?  Bourdais drove in this year's LeMans, as did at least a couple
of factory test drivers (Gene, for one).

And Kimi drives in some rallies and the occasional ice race.
Many of the other drivers also have "hobby" racing series that
they participate in as well.

Hans.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:22 AM, LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote:

   Yeah, I remember the good old days when drivers *drove* as much
as they wanted.  LeMans often had current F1 stars driving.  They also
drove Indy cars, Saloons, Hill Climbs and specials like the Targa and
the Mille Miglia. I can stilll picture J Clark in all different kinds of
cars.
>From Lotus Cortinas to Jag Mk IIs to Lotus F2.

   Now, Bernie will only allow the driver to drive in F1 - probably 

because

he doesn't get paid when they drive elsewhere.

   Yeah, it was interesting to hear Monaco's response.  Of course, 

Ferrari

is
the home grown favorite at Monaco and I guess it might be considered
 the Ferrari hometrack.  If you don't count Monza ;-\

   I wonder what Monza will do?  They're scheduled for Sept 11-13.

LarryT

When Ted Kennedy goes to Cuba for
health care I might consider socialized
medicene.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Sherman" <sherman [at] wildblue.net>
To: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1

> The tracks have contracts with Bernie/FIA/Max at least at Indy they had
to

> pony up millions to Bernie, who shared(?)  it with the teams and sold 

> the

> TV rights, The FIA certified tha event for a fee and Max enforced the
> rules (remember the 6 car race at Indy. Bernie's number 1 goal is MONEY
> that is why venues with deep pockets and less fans get on the schedule.

> Indy, Montreal sold more tickets than most of the new tracks, but 

> tracks

> promoters lost money.
> When Honda quit the Berme and the FIA apparenty were powerless.
> The biggiest card they have to play is License's to the tracks and
> drivers. Most of the drivers in F1 drive in more than 1 series, Lemans
for
> example and if they lost there license they  would not be allowed to
> drive.
> Many of the F1 tracks don't host races except when F1 comes to town
Turkey
> for example.

> The surprise to me was Monaco's response NO Ferrari, NO RACE this 

> morning

> on speed.
>
> Stephen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> To: "Stephen" <sherman [at] wildblue.net>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1
>
>

>> Who controls the track rights?  Is that a Bernie/Max thing?  I am 

>> always

>> amazed at how Bernie just kind of took over the TV rights thing - he 

>> had

>> no
>> team -  to me he just seemed like a "hanger on" until he grabbed those
TV
>> rights.
>>

>> Anyway, back to the issue - seems like it was Bernie who controlled 

>> the

>> tracks and TV rights making this kind of coup difficult.  But I 

>> haven't

>> followed F1 as a fanatic fan since the mid 90s so I'm not sure of all
the
>> facts.
>>

>> It will make for a interesting season/s.  I didn;t notice a time for 

>> the

>> pull out of Ferrari, McLaren and Brawn along with 5 others -  but I
guess
>> more details will come -
>>
>> As an aside, it's laughable to see eBays automatic advertising on
>> searches -
>> like this one when I did a F1 search --
>> <<Shop F1 Racing. Great deals on F1 Racing!
>> www.eBayMotors.com <http://www.ebaymotors.com/>>>
>>
>> Anyone going to buy a F1 team on eBay?  <LOL>
>>
>> Below is another news story I found with more details  -
>>
>> "When Ted Kennedy goes to Cuba for
>> health care I might consider socialized
>> medicene."
>>
>> NEWS STORY
>> <<Rival series would fix F1 for good
>>
>> AP FILE PHOTO

>> Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo after a meeting of the Formula 

>> One

>> Teams Association (FOTA) in Monaco on Friday, May 22, 2009.
>>
>> Series of breakaway Grand Prix races would force FIA's Max Mosley to
>> finally
>> step aside
>> Jun 15, 2009 08:47 AM
>> Comments on this story  (1)
>> Norris McDonald
>> Motorsport Writer
>>
>> Although there won't be a Grand Prix until next weekend, the most
>> significant motorsport event of last weekend involved Formula One and
the
>> threat to create a breakaway series.
>>
>> Yes, the 24 Hours of Le Mans was held (Peugeot won), Andrew Ranger won
>> the
>> NASCAR Canadian Tire race at Mosport and Mark Martin won a dramatic
>> NASCAR

>> Sprint Cup race at Michigan, but Ferrari president Luca di 

>> Montezemolo's

>> almost-declaration of war against FIA president Max Mosley trumps
>> everything
>> else.
>>
>> Insurrections against FIA presidents are nothing new. Mosley became
>> president in 1993 after Jean-Marie Balestre was forced to step down.
>> Balestre did many good things for motorsport but there were suspicions
>> that
>> he rigged the result of the 1989 world championship in favour of his

>> countryman, Alain Prost, and by the early 1990s he was acting 

>> strangely.

>> He
>> was personally authorizing paddock and pit passes for beauty queens on
>> roller skates, not to mention the toy poodles they carried, and people
>> were
>> wondering aloud if he was losing his mind..
>>
>> In short, he became an embarrassment and had to go.
>>
>> It's now 2009 and Mosley has turned into Balestre. He has obviously
>> decided
>> that the best way to salvage his tattered reputation is to show the
world
>> how tough and powerful a man he really is despite those shortcomings.
>>
>> So he's done everything possible to upset the established Formula One
>> teams,
>> from manipulating technical regulations (hello, double diffusers) to
>> imposing a cap on spending. On the surface, the cap might look
reasonable
>> considering the recession, but internally it's unacceptable because a
>> prerequisite of involvement in Formula One is the ability to attract,
and
>> subsequently spend, huge amounts of money.
>>
>> Ferrari and the other "old guard" teams recently formed a new
>> organization
>> called the Formula One Teams Association (FOTA) to represent the teams
in
>> dealing with the FIA. FOTA has since kicked out two of its members -
>> Williams and Force India - because they submitted entries for the 2010
>> world
>> championship after the organization had decided against it.
>>
>> Then, last Friday, the FIA released a list of 2010 entries, which
>> included
>> some new teams but listed Ferrari, McLaren, et al, as being
>> "provisional."

>> Di Montezemolo hit the roof over that one, because FOTA had 

>> specifically

>> warned the FIA against doing just that.
>>
>> So the Ferrari president once again brought up the possibility of a

>> breakaway series and Mosley said, in so many words: "Go ahead. In 

>> fact,

I
>> double-dare you."
>>

>> So there the matter sits. FOTA has asked the World Motorsport Council 

>> to

>> get
>> involved. F1 guru Bernie Ecclestone is asking everybody to please calm
>> down.
>>
>> And I say this: If Mosley won't back down, FOTA should run its own
>> series.
>>

>> The way things stand now, F1 will not be back to North America any 

>> time

>> soon. But a breakaway Grand Prix series sure would. Montreal and

>> Indianapolis would be back on the calendar lickety-split and nothing 

>> but

>> good would come of that.
>>

>> And despite what some people are suggesting, this would not turn into 

>> a

>> long-standing CART-IRL spat. Within a year, maybe two at the most,
Mosley

>> would be forced to resign and whoever the new FIA leader turns out to 

>> be

>> would very quickly get everybody back on the same page.
>>
>> Mosley would be gone and Montreal would be back on the calendar. Who
>> could
>> argue against that?>>
>>
>> Have a nice Friday
>> LarryT
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Scott Saidel" <Ferrarisimo [at] Comcast.net>
>> To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:22 PM
>> Subject: [Ferrari] Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1
>>
>>

>>> Hot off UPI - 8 FOTA teams officially pulling out of F1 - starting 

>>> new

>>> series ...
>>>
>>>
http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2009/06/18/Eight-teams-plan-to-leave-Formula-One/UPI-68161245374886/
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Re: Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: LarryT (l02turnercomcast.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:32:02 -0700 (PDT)