Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1

[Hans E. Hansen (FList]

Actually, Bernie has nothing to do with FIA drivers' licensing.......

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:30 PM, LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Hans,
>   Evidently things have changed - but at one time I recall Bernie refused
> to allow active F1 drivers to participate in other series - threatened them
> with a loss of their locense.  Perhaps his mind is on other things at the
> moment. ;-)
>
>   I recall reading he moved some event dates to conflict.  OK, I'll grant
> you Bourdais - but that's 1 out of a whole bunch.  Lots of prior F1 drivers
> though - along with the sons of several F1 drivers of past - Senna, Prost
> and Nigel progeny were at Le Mans.
>
>   Hopefully F1 drivers are well integrated into other series - most
> sincerely love to drive anything & everything and getting paid to drive is
> something they truely enjoy.
>
> Thanks for helping me with what's happpening presently in F1 - I seldom pay
> attention anymore.
>
> LarryT
>
>
>
>
> When Ted Kennedy goes to Cuba for
> health care I might consider socialized
> medicene.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans E. Hansen" <FList [at] 
> hanshansen.org>
>
> To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 1:30 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1
>
>
>   Huh?  Bourdais drove in this year's LeMans, as did at least a couple
>> of factory test drivers (Gene, for one).
>>
>> And Kimi drives in some rallies and the occasional ice race.
>> Many of the other drivers also have "hobby" racing series that
>> they participate in as well.
>>
>> Hans.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:22 AM, LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>     Yeah, I remember the good old days when drivers *drove* as much
>>> as they wanted.  LeMans often had current F1 stars driving.  They also
>>> drove Indy cars, Saloons, Hill Climbs and specials like the Targa and
>>> the Mille Miglia. I can stilll picture J Clark in all different kinds of
>>> cars.
>>> >From Lotus Cortinas to Jag Mk IIs to Lotus F2.
>>>
>>>   Now, Bernie will only allow the driver to drive in F1 - probably
>>> because
>>> he doesn't get paid when they drive elsewhere.
>>>
>>>   Yeah, it was interesting to hear Monaco's response.  Of course, Ferrari
>>> is
>>> the home grown favorite at Monaco and I guess it might be considered
>>>  the Ferrari hometrack.  If you don't count Monza ;-\
>>>
>>>   I wonder what Monza will do?  They're scheduled for Sept 11-13.
>>>
>>> LarryT
>>>
>>> When Ted Kennedy goes to Cuba for
>>> health care I might consider socialized
>>> medicene.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Stephen Sherman" <sherman [at] wildblue.net>
>>> To: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
>>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>>  Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 1:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1
>>>
>>>
>>> > The tracks have contracts with Bernie/FIA/Max at least at Indy they had
>>> to
>>> > pony up millions to Bernie, who shared(?)  it with the teams and sold >
>>> the
>>> > TV rights, The FIA certified tha event for a fee and Max enforced the
>>> > rules (remember the 6 car race at Indy. Bernie's number 1 goal is MONEY
>>> > that is why venues with deep pockets and less fans get on the schedule.
>>> > Indy, Montreal sold more tickets than most of the new tracks, but >
>>> tracks
>>> > promoters lost money.
>>> > When Honda quit the Berme and the FIA apparenty were powerless.
>>> > The biggiest card they have to play is License's to the tracks and
>>> > drivers. Most of the drivers in F1 drive in more than 1 series, Lemans
>>> for
>>> > example and if they lost there license they  would not be allowed to
>>> > drive.
>>> > Many of the F1 tracks don't host races except when F1 comes to town
>>> Turkey
>>> > for example.
>>> > The surprise to me was Monaco's response NO Ferrari, NO RACE this >
>>> morning
>>> > on speed.
>>> >
>>> > Stephen
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
>>> > To: "Stephen" <sherman [at] wildblue.net>
>>> > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>> > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:12 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Who controls the track rights?  Is that a Bernie/Max thing?  I am >>
>>> always
>>> >> amazed at how Bernie just kind of took over the TV rights thing - he
>>> >> had
>>> >> no
>>> >> team -  to me he just seemed like a "hanger on" until he grabbed those
>>> TV
>>> >> rights.
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyway, back to the issue - seems like it was Bernie who controlled >>
>>> the
>>> >> tracks and TV rights making this kind of coup difficult.  But I >>
>>> haven't
>>> >> followed F1 as a fanatic fan since the mid 90s so I'm not sure of all
>>> the
>>> >> facts.
>>> >>
>>> >> It will make for a interesting season/s.  I didn;t notice a time for
>>> >> the
>>> >> pull out of Ferrari, McLaren and Brawn along with 5 others -  but I
>>> guess
>>> >> more details will come -
>>> >>
>>> >> As an aside, it's laughable to see eBays automatic advertising on
>>> >> searches -
>>> >> like this one when I did a F1 search --
>>> >> <<Shop F1 Racing. Great deals on F1 Racing!
>>> >> www.eBayMotors.com <http://www.ebaymotors.com/> <
>>> http://www.ebaymotors.com/>>>
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyone going to buy a F1 team on eBay?  <LOL>
>>> >>
>>> >> Below is another news story I found with more details  -
>>> >>
>>> >> "When Ted Kennedy goes to Cuba for
>>> >> health care I might consider socialized
>>> >> medicene."
>>> >>
>>> >> NEWS STORY
>>> >> <<Rival series would fix F1 for good
>>> >>
>>> >> AP FILE PHOTO
>>> >> Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo after a meeting of the Formula
>>> >> One
>>> >> Teams Association (FOTA) in Monaco on Friday, May 22, 2009.
>>> >>
>>> >> Series of breakaway Grand Prix races would force FIA's Max Mosley to
>>> >> finally
>>> >> step aside
>>> >> Jun 15, 2009 08:47 AM
>>> >> Comments on this story  (1)
>>> >> Norris McDonald
>>> >> Motorsport Writer
>>> >>
>>> >> Although there won't be a Grand Prix until next weekend, the most
>>> >> significant motorsport event of last weekend involved Formula One and
>>> the
>>> >> threat to create a breakaway series.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, the 24 Hours of Le Mans was held (Peugeot won), Andrew Ranger won
>>> >> the
>>> >> NASCAR Canadian Tire race at Mosport and Mark Martin won a dramatic
>>> >> NASCAR
>>> >> Sprint Cup race at Michigan, but Ferrari president Luca di >>
>>> Montezemolo's
>>> >> almost-declaration of war against FIA president Max Mosley trumps
>>> >> everything
>>> >> else.
>>> >>
>>> >> Insurrections against FIA presidents are nothing new. Mosley became
>>> >> president in 1993 after Jean-Marie Balestre was forced to step down.
>>> >> Balestre did many good things for motorsport but there were suspicions
>>> >> that
>>> >> he rigged the result of the 1989 world championship in favour of his
>>> >> countryman, Alain Prost, and by the early 1990s he was acting >>
>>> strangely.
>>> >> He
>>> >> was personally authorizing paddock and pit passes for beauty queens on
>>> >> roller skates, not to mention the toy poodles they carried, and people
>>> >> were
>>> >> wondering aloud if he was losing his mind..
>>> >>
>>> >> In short, he became an embarrassment and had to go.
>>> >>
>>> >> It's now 2009 and Mosley has turned into Balestre. He has obviously
>>> >> decided
>>> >> that the best way to salvage his tattered reputation is to show the
>>> world
>>> >> how tough and powerful a man he really is despite those shortcomings.
>>> >>
>>> >> So he's done everything possible to upset the established Formula One
>>> >> teams,
>>> >> from manipulating technical regulations (hello, double diffusers) to
>>> >> imposing a cap on spending. On the surface, the cap might look
>>> reasonable
>>> >> considering the recession, but internally it's unacceptable because a
>>> >> prerequisite of involvement in Formula One is the ability to attract,
>>> and
>>> >> subsequently spend, huge amounts of money.
>>> >>
>>> >> Ferrari and the other "old guard" teams recently formed a new
>>> >> organization
>>> >> called the Formula One Teams Association (FOTA) to represent the teams
>>> in
>>> >> dealing with the FIA. FOTA has since kicked out two of its members -
>>> >> Williams and Force India - because they submitted entries for the 2010
>>> >> world
>>> >> championship after the organization had decided against it.
>>> >>
>>> >> Then, last Friday, the FIA released a list of 2010 entries, which
>>> >> included
>>> >> some new teams but listed Ferrari, McLaren, et al, as being
>>> >> "provisional."
>>> >> Di Montezemolo hit the roof over that one, because FOTA had >>
>>> specifically
>>> >> warned the FIA against doing just that.
>>> >>
>>> >> So the Ferrari president once again brought up the possibility of a
>>> >> breakaway series and Mosley said, in so many words: "Go ahead. In >>
>>> fact,
>>> I
>>> >> double-dare you."
>>> >>
>>> >> So there the matter sits. FOTA has asked the World Motorsport Council
>>> >> to
>>> >> get
>>> >> involved. F1 guru Bernie Ecclestone is asking everybody to please calm
>>> >> down.
>>> >>
>>> >> And I say this: If Mosley won't back down, FOTA should run its own
>>> >> series.
>>> >>
>>> >> The way things stand now, F1 will not be back to North America any >>
>>> time
>>> >> soon. But a breakaway Grand Prix series sure would. Montreal and
>>> >> Indianapolis would be back on the calendar lickety-split and nothing
>>> >> but
>>> >> good would come of that.
>>> >>
>>> >> And despite what some people are suggesting, this would not turn into
>>> >> a
>>> >> long-standing CART-IRL spat. Within a year, maybe two at the most,
>>> Mosley
>>> >> would be forced to resign and whoever the new FIA leader turns out to
>>> >> be
>>> >> would very quickly get everybody back on the same page.
>>> >>
>>> >> Mosley would be gone and Montreal would be back on the calendar. Who
>>> >> could
>>> >> argue against that?>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Have a nice Friday
>>> >> LarryT
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Scott Saidel" <Ferrarisimo [at] Comcast.net>
>>> >> To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
>>> >> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:22 PM
>>> >> Subject: [Ferrari] Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hot off UPI - 8 FOTA teams officially pulling out of F1 - starting
>>> >>> new
>>> >>> series ...
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2009/06/18/Eight-teams-plan-to-leave-Formula-One/UPI-68161245374886/
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