Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1

[E M (pokiebaron]

One of the reasons they had to do that, was to earn a living!  Most of the
time, when they got to the gig, they had to pay for their own hotel room.
Now, they own the hotels. lol

Ed
911SC

2009/6/19 LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net>

>    Yeah, I remember the good old days when drivers *drove* as much
> as they wanted.  LeMans often had current F1 stars driving.  They also
> drove Indy cars, Saloons, Hill Climbs and specials like the Targa and
> the Mille Miglia. I can stilll picture J Clark in all different kinds of
> cars.
> >From Lotus Cortinas to Jag Mk IIs to Lotus F2.
>
>    Now, Bernie will only allow the driver to drive in F1 - probably because
> he doesn't get paid when they drive elsewhere.
>
>    Yeah, it was interesting to hear Monaco's response.  Of course, Ferrari
> is
> the home grown favorite at Monaco and I guess it might be considered
>  the Ferrari hometrack.  If you don't count Monza ;-\
>
>    I wonder what Monza will do?  They're scheduled for Sept 11-13.
>
> LarryT
>
> When Ted Kennedy goes to Cuba for
> health care I might consider socialized
> medicene.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Sherman" <sherman [at] wildblue.net>
> To: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1
>
>
> > The tracks have contracts with Bernie/FIA/Max at least at Indy they had
> to
> > pony up millions to Bernie, who shared(?)  it with the teams and sold the
> > TV rights, The FIA certified tha event for a fee and Max enforced the
> > rules (remember the 6 car race at Indy. Bernie's number 1 goal is MONEY
> > that is why venues with deep pockets and less fans get on the schedule.
> > Indy, Montreal sold more tickets than most of the new tracks, but tracks
> > promoters lost money.
> > When Honda quit the Berme and the FIA apparenty were powerless.
> > The biggiest card they have to play is License's to the tracks and
> > drivers. Most of the drivers in F1 drive in more than 1 series, Lemans
> for
> > example and if they lost there license they  would not be allowed to
> > drive.
> > Many of the F1 tracks don't host races except when F1 comes to town
> Turkey
> > for example.
> > The surprise to me was Monaco's response NO Ferrari, NO RACE this morning
> > on speed.
> >
> > Stephen
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> > To: "Stephen" <sherman [at] wildblue.net>
> > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1
> >
> >
> >> Who controls the track rights?  Is that a Bernie/Max thing?  I am always
> >> amazed at how Bernie just kind of took over the TV rights thing - he had
> >> no
> >> team -  to me he just seemed like a "hanger on" until he grabbed those
> TV
> >> rights.
> >>
> >> Anyway, back to the issue - seems like it was Bernie who controlled the
> >> tracks and TV rights making this kind of coup difficult.  But I haven't
> >> followed F1 as a fanatic fan since the mid 90s so I'm not sure of all
> the
> >> facts.
> >>
> >> It will make for a interesting season/s.  I didn;t notice a time for the
> >> pull out of Ferrari, McLaren and Brawn along with 5 others -  but I
> guess
> >> more details will come -
> >>
> >> As an aside, it's laughable to see eBays automatic advertising on
> >> searches -
> >> like this one when I did a F1 search --
> >> <<Shop F1 Racing. Great deals on F1 Racing!
> >> www.eBayMotors.com>>
> >>
> >> Anyone going to buy a F1 team on eBay?  <LOL>
> >>
> >> Below is another news story I found with more details  -
> >>
> >> "When Ted Kennedy goes to Cuba for
> >> health care I might consider socialized
> >> medicene."
> >>
> >> NEWS STORY
> >> <<Rival series would fix F1 for good
> >>
> >> AP FILE PHOTO
> >> Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo after a meeting of the Formula One
> >> Teams Association (FOTA) in Monaco on Friday, May 22, 2009.
> >>
> >> Series of breakaway Grand Prix races would force FIA's Max Mosley to
> >> finally
> >> step aside
> >> Jun 15, 2009 08:47 AM
> >> Comments on this story  (1)
> >> Norris McDonald
> >> Motorsport Writer
> >>
> >> Although there won't be a Grand Prix until next weekend, the most
> >> significant motorsport event of last weekend involved Formula One and
> the
> >> threat to create a breakaway series.
> >>
> >> Yes, the 24 Hours of Le Mans was held (Peugeot won), Andrew Ranger won
> >> the
> >> NASCAR Canadian Tire race at Mosport and Mark Martin won a dramatic
> >> NASCAR
> >> Sprint Cup race at Michigan, but Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo's
> >> almost-declaration of war against FIA president Max Mosley trumps
> >> everything
> >> else.
> >>
> >> Insurrections against FIA presidents are nothing new. Mosley became
> >> president in 1993 after Jean-Marie Balestre was forced to step down.
> >> Balestre did many good things for motorsport but there were suspicions
> >> that
> >> he rigged the result of the 1989 world championship in favour of his
> >> countryman, Alain Prost, and by the early 1990s he was acting strangely.
> >> He
> >> was personally authorizing paddock and pit passes for beauty queens on
> >> roller skates, not to mention the toy poodles they carried, and people
> >> were
> >> wondering aloud if he was losing his mind..
> >>
> >> In short, he became an embarrassment and had to go.
> >>
> >> It's now 2009 and Mosley has turned into Balestre. He has obviously
> >> decided
> >> that the best way to salvage his tattered reputation is to show the
> world
> >> how tough and powerful a man he really is despite those shortcomings.
> >>
> >> So he's done everything possible to upset the established Formula One
> >> teams,
> >> from manipulating technical regulations (hello, double diffusers) to
> >> imposing a cap on spending. On the surface, the cap might look
> reasonable
> >> considering the recession, but internally it's unacceptable because a
> >> prerequisite of involvement in Formula One is the ability to attract,
> and
> >> subsequently spend, huge amounts of money.
> >>
> >> Ferrari and the other "old guard" teams recently formed a new
> >> organization
> >> called the Formula One Teams Association (FOTA) to represent the teams
> in
> >> dealing with the FIA. FOTA has since kicked out two of its members -
> >> Williams and Force India - because they submitted entries for the 2010
> >> world
> >> championship after the organization had decided against it.
> >>
> >> Then, last Friday, the FIA released a list of 2010 entries, which
> >> included
> >> some new teams but listed Ferrari, McLaren, et al, as being
> >> "provisional."
> >> Di Montezemolo hit the roof over that one, because FOTA had specifically
> >> warned the FIA against doing just that.
> >>
> >> So the Ferrari president once again brought up the possibility of a
> >> breakaway series and Mosley said, in so many words: "Go ahead. In fact,
> I
> >> double-dare you."
> >>
> >> So there the matter sits. FOTA has asked the World Motorsport Council to
> >> get
> >> involved. F1 guru Bernie Ecclestone is asking everybody to please calm
> >> down.
> >>
> >> And I say this: If Mosley won't back down, FOTA should run its own
> >> series.
> >>
> >> The way things stand now, F1 will not be back to North America any time
> >> soon. But a breakaway Grand Prix series sure would. Montreal and
> >> Indianapolis would be back on the calendar lickety-split and nothing but
> >> good would come of that.
> >>
> >> And despite what some people are suggesting, this would not turn into a
> >> long-standing CART-IRL spat. Within a year, maybe two at the most,
> Mosley
> >> would be forced to resign and whoever the new FIA leader turns out to be
> >> would very quickly get everybody back on the same page.
> >>
> >> Mosley would be gone and Montreal would be back on the calendar. Who
> >> could
> >> argue against that?>>
> >>
> >> Have a nice Friday
> >> LarryT
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Scott Saidel" <Ferrarisimo [at] Comcast.net>
> >> To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> >> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:22 PM
> >> Subject: [Ferrari] Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hot off UPI - 8 FOTA teams officially pulling out of F1 - starting new
> >>> series ...
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2009/06/18/Eight-teams-plan-to-leave-Formula-One/UPI-68161245374886/
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