Ferrari Mailing List: Re: oils and coolant for the last time

[E M (pokiebaron]

Hi Larry, you're the oil guy, refresh my memory.  While Mobil 1 synthetic is
near the top of the list, aren't the zinc numbers still a bit low for
engines like old air cooled 911s ?  If so, wonder if it's also a bit low on
the zinc side for some of the older, hot running Ferrari engines?

It would be cool to gather some of the zinc numbers of various oils and post
them all together.

Thanks,

Ed
911SC  20/50 dino

2009/11/30 Larry B <larrybard [at] hotmail.com>

>
> My mechanics (who also race) swear by Elf synthetic, and say based on their
> research and anecdotal evidence it's preferable to Mobil 1.
>
> > From: clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net
> > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:15:18 -0500
> > Subject: [Ferrari] oils and coolant for the last time
> > CC: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> > To: larrybard [at] hotmail.com
> >
> >
> > Guys MOBIL 1 is the oil period
> > It’s the same stuff that is used in JET ENGINES!
> > When I start an jet engine at work it starting temp is 700 C
> > Normal operating temp is 500 C
> > Are you getting it now !
> >
> > When it comes to coolant I lived in New Orleans for 20 plus years with a
> 308
> > QV
> > Never had a cooling issue because I drained and flushed the systems
> yearly.
> > When you do that you check the hoses and stay ahead of major problems
> > Used prestone and never had one problem
> > I could stay in 95 degree OAT traffic and temp would stay in the zone
> > When you flush your system well it gets all or most of the major problems
> > that hang around in the system waiting to bite you in the ass later
> > Its cheap and very effective
> > As some of you know I race bikes
> > Nothing puts out more power per litter than a bike
> > And that equals heat
> > We use water wetter in the bikes since we don’t run when its freezing out
> > side
> > Using plain coolant what ever brand is JUST PLAIN STUPID
> > Read the owners manual !
> > Gotta go
> > Pics to follow on my 512 transaxle deal
> >
> >
> > Clyde
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael James [mailto:cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:22 AM
> > To: clyde
> > Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> >
> > David recommends a heavier-weight synthetic.....I used 0-W-40 Mobil 1
> > European Car formula with two bottles of either 10-W-40 or 20-W-50 thrown
> in
> > to add some additional 'weight' to the mix.....the overheating I've
> > experienced broke-down the oil, and increased bearing wear....so, I have
> > a lot of internal damage for only 36K on the odometer.
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 11/26/09, JIM WILCOX <jimshadow [at] verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: JIM WILCOX <jimshadow [at] verizon.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> > To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> > Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> > Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:57 PM
> >
> >
> > I'd be curious to hear what oil David recommends in the 308.
> > He is a good guy and has helped me out quite a bit with my GT4.
> >
> > JIM
> >
> > --- On Thu, 11/26/09, Tom Reynolds <kjtar [at] cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Tom Reynolds <kjtar [at] cox.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> > To: "JIM" <jimshadow [at] verizon.net>
> > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 6:11 PM
> >
> >
> > Michael,
> >      What kind of oil were you using?  How long between changes?  What
> kind
> > of driving did you usually do?  What oil is he recommending for when the
> car
> > is back on the road again?
> > Tom
> > Tulsa
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> > To: <kjtar [at] cox.net>
> > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> >
> >
> > My mechanic, David Feinberg, believes my choice in oil coupled with the
> heat
> > did some serious damage - the piston rings scoured the cylinder liners,
> and
> > vice-versa when the oil 'broke-down" from high-heat, and the bearings in
> the
> > motor are all SHOT. The Cams and Crankshaft were spared, but the bearing
> > sets have risen in price over the years....and so have cylinder liners. I
> > also burned-through a piston. I also have all of the engine gaskets to
> > replace (a whole-set of engine gaskets are $1,800, which include the head
> > gaskets). All 16 exhaust valves are destroyed, along with 9 intake
> > valves.....the previous valve job managed to 'nick' all of the valves and
> > corrupt their sealing properties, so my compression/leakdown numbers were
> > horrible across the board. I suppose I should be lucky that the Block and
> > Heads were spared, but the internal 'bits' that have been roasted over
> the
> > years....crap!
> >
> > Anywho, we'll have to sit-down and review what the way-ahead looks like.
> >
> > M
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/25/09, Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> > To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 4:40 PM
> >
> >
> > As Bill famously said, "I feel your pain." In my case a TR first gear
> > repair, a crown gear carrier upgrade, and a ridiculously expensive
> > throwout bearing replacement. Kind of like the restaurant price guide
> > - $$$$$.
> >
> > Michael James wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Well, the good news is that the Block and Heads are NOT warped at all.
> In
> > fact, we can re-use them with only minor machine work.
> > >
> > >And that's about the only good news I have......there was evidence of a
> > previous valve-job done BADLY, and most all of the valves need
> replacement,
> > along with the valve guides. I also need one new piston, all new piston
> > rings, and here's the kicker - all new nikasil cylinder liners. Ted
> Rutlands
> > was called, and he has NO QV engines 'on the shelf', so I'm stuck
> rebuilding
> > my own engine. The parts bill will be steep....
> > >
> > >M
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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