Ferrari Mailing List: Re: oils and coolant for the last time

[Larry B (larrybard]

My mechanics (who also race) swear by Elf synthetic, and say based on their 
research and anecdotal evidence it's preferable to Mobil 1.
 
> From: clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:15:18 -0500
> Subject: [Ferrari] oils and coolant for the last time
> CC: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> To: larrybard [at] hotmail.com
> 
> 
> Guys MOBIL 1 is the oil period
> It’s the same stuff that is used in JET ENGINES!
> When I start an jet engine at work it starting temp is 700 C
> Normal operating temp is 500 C
> Are you getting it now !
> 
> When it comes to coolant I lived in New Orleans for 20 plus years with a 308
> QV
> Never had a cooling issue because I drained and flushed the systems yearly.
> When you do that you check the hoses and stay ahead of major problems
> Used prestone and never had one problem
> I could stay in 95 degree OAT traffic and temp would stay in the zone
> When you flush your system well it gets all or most of the major problems
> that hang around in the system waiting to bite you in the ass later
> Its cheap and very effective
> As some of you know I race bikes
> Nothing puts out more power per litter than a bike 
> And that equals heat
> We use water wetter in the bikes since we don’t run when its freezing out
> side
> Using plain coolant what ever brand is JUST PLAIN STUPID
> Read the owners manual !
> Gotta go
> Pics to follow on my 512 transaxle deal
> 
> 
> Clyde
> 
> Capt. Clyde Romero Jr.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael James [mailto:cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:22 AM
> To: clyde
> Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> 
> David recommends a heavier-weight synthetic.....I used 0-W-40 Mobil 1
> European Car formula with two bottles of either 10-W-40 or 20-W-50 thrown in
> to add some additional 'weight' to the mix.....the overheating I've
> experienced broke-down the oil, and increased bearing wear....so, I have
> a lot of internal damage for only 36K on the odometer.
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 11/26/09, JIM WILCOX <jimshadow [at] verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: JIM WILCOX <jimshadow [at] verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:57 PM
> 
> 
> I'd be curious to hear what oil David recommends in the 308.  
> He is a good guy and has helped me out quite a bit with my GT4.   
>  
> JIM
> 
> --- On Thu, 11/26/09, Tom Reynolds <kjtar [at] cox.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Tom Reynolds <kjtar [at] cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> To: "JIM" <jimshadow [at] verizon.net>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 6:11 PM
> 
> 
> Michael,
>      What kind of oil were you using?  How long between changes?  What kind
> of driving did you usually do?  What oil is he recommending for when the car
> is back on the road again?
> Tom
> Tulsa
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> To: <kjtar [at] cox.net>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> 
> 
> My mechanic, David Feinberg, believes my choice in oil coupled with the heat
> did some serious damage - the piston rings scoured the cylinder liners, and
> vice-versa when the oil 'broke-down" from high-heat, and the bearings in the
> motor are all SHOT. The Cams and Crankshaft were spared, but the bearing
> sets have risen in price over the years....and so have cylinder liners. I
> also burned-through a piston. I also have all of the engine gaskets to
> replace (a whole-set of engine gaskets are $1,800, which include the head
> gaskets). All 16 exhaust valves are destroyed, along with 9 intake
> valves.....the previous valve job managed to 'nick' all of the valves and
> corrupt their sealing properties, so my compression/leakdown numbers were
> horrible across the board. I suppose I should be lucky that the Block and
> Heads were spared, but the internal 'bits' that have been roasted over the
> years....crap!
> 
> Anywho, we'll have to sit-down and review what the way-ahead looks like.
> 
> M
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 11/25/09, Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Engine Rebuild III
> To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 4:40 PM
> 
> 
> As Bill famously said, "I feel your pain." In my case a TR first gear
> repair, a crown gear carrier upgrade, and a ridiculously expensive
> throwout bearing replacement. Kind of like the restaurant price guide
> - $$$$$.
> 
> Michael James wrote:
> 
> >
> >Well, the good news is that the Block and Heads are NOT warped at all. In
> fact, we can re-use them with only minor machine work.
> >
> >And that's about the only good news I have......there was evidence of a
> previous valve-job done BADLY, and most all of the valves need replacement,
> along with the valve guides. I also need one new piston, all new piston
> rings, and here's the kicker - all new nikasil cylinder liners. Ted Rutlands
> was called, and he has NO QV engines 'on the shelf', so I'm stuck rebuilding
> my own engine. The parts bill will be steep....
> >
> >M
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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