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Re: Ferrari's future?
From: Erik Nielsen (judge4regmail.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:56:29 -0700 (PDT)
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On Oct 10, 2014, at 2:41 PM, Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:

Erik
You just like cars that catch FIRE!
 
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From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+clyderomerof4=bellsouth.net [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Erik Nielsen
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 11:24 AM
To: Clyde
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari's future?
 
Yes, probably the main reason the 365 GT4 2+2 is still in my garage.  Clyde said it was over when the M3 guys were trading up to 360s, the FF was the draw for those that liked the styling on the Z3 coupe...
 
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:03 AM, <cmlf1 [at] optonline.net> wrote:
Has anyone seen the FF?

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On Oct 10, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Doug & Terri <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:

Well – while they didn’t directly build a ‘Bread Van’ it was on the right track.  Heh  heh

DOUG

 
From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+dnt=dock.net [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 5:11 AM
To: DOUG
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari's future?
 

I seem to recall something about Ferrari building a SUV at some point - perhaps it was a joke?   In these days of bean counters running things I wouldn't put it past them...

LarryT

On 10/9/2014 12:49 PM, Rick Moseley wrote:
As far as what they do...  Yep. 
 
As far as what they are, not really. Not that it matters to function but at least with the sub $300K cars you still get hand crafted interiors and extremely (HP/liter) efficient engines. 
 
I still laugh when I see the hype documentary on the Ford GT. Their benchmark to beat was the Ferrari 360.  They did it, barely. But they had to use a motor substantially larger and supercharged to do it....
 
So I go back to my original premise; cut back on the number of models they make. Ensure the cars they do make are comfortable, durable, trouble free pavement weapons!

Or, to answer your question... They can continue to sell to every bozo with a fat checkbook and no real appreciation for what Ferrari WAS!
 


On Oct 9, 2014, at 9:12 AM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

Rick, you illustrate another incredible sad point here.
 
Ferraris sub $300k cars aren't much better than a Corvette, Viper, Z/28, etc.
 
It used to be that looks, driving experience and heritage made the distinction but I cannot tell a 599 from a Toyota Supra at a distance and my vision is superb.
 
So, yes, I love the F60 and variants but the others are a waste of $$$.
 
What happened???
 
LS
 




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From: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> 
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari's future?
 

Yes, but you are comparing apples and oranges.  You are comparing other's hyper-cars to Ferrari daily drivers.  I think the Enzo and LaFerrari hold their own with the cars you are mentioning.   How many of the makers you mention even make a sub $300k car?

 


On Oct 8, 2014, at 12:52 PM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

Rick, unfortunately I disagree completely with your assessment.
 
The 348 wasn't perfect but the 355 was worse from an engineering standpoint. The 360 was the first car that didn't look like a Ferrari and it just got watered down from there. The first time I heard of a former BMW M3 owner buying a 360, I knew it was over.
 
The 550 and 575 are...soft and boring. I've tried to like them for years but they are just not for me. And I'm not even young anymore.
 
On the other hand, I find the Pagani Zonda R, Koeniggsegggggggggg models, Carrera GT and Maserati MC12 sensational.
 
So, it's not that I like only the older cars.
 
LS
 




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From: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> 
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari's future?
 
Lash,
I'd disagree...  When LdM took over, the current car in the pipeline was the 348... and no offense to their owners but they were pretty poor in both function and build quality.  I'd say the cars that came after LdM were a lot better with every iteration.   The 355, 360 lineage up to the 458 are pretty solid cars who only suffer from trying to be too advanced for their own good.  Same for the 550, 575 and up on that side.   Now if you stray away into those cars that were developed to satisfy the FaceBook generation (read FF), yeah there has been a slide.   I'd like to see Ferrari cut back on the product line diversity and make a few cars that are just dependable weapons!!
 
I purposely left out the Super/Hyper cars.  I believe they stand on their own merit.  I just think they need to fire the marketing folks who name them.  I mean, seriously.... if I owned a LaFerrari I'd cut the "La" off and patch the hole.  And while I'm spewing opinions, the last GTO didn't deserve the moniker either.   But what do I know... I just told everyone I have a brain injury!  <grin>
 
cLyDe....?????
 
Rick
 
 

 

From: LS via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> 
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari's future?
 
Ferrari can only get worse...it has been pretty bad since LdM took over.
 
Passion Marques are always best under their namesake or founder. The first buyout after usually leaves a generation of virtuous models due to leftover design and technology. They models after that leftover generation start the bad slide...
 
LS
 




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From: George <ygpz4re [at] hotmail.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> 
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 12:22 PM
Subject: [Ferrari] Ferrari's future?
 
Who else wonders about what the future holds for Ferrari?  Not just because LdM has left, but also because of the Fiat/Chrysler merger.  Does anyone else think that F/C will destroy the Ferrari name/legacy?  Or does *everyone* else think that?
 
Jaguar also had a decade or two of floundering when its founder died in the 80's, but lately seems to be making a pretty strong comeback (if you haven't driven the new F-Type, you should - even if I could afford a new Ferrari, I might actually opt for the new F-Type R Coupe - it's a rocket ship!).
 
Thinking aloud here is all.....
 
gp


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