Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Wayne Carini/F40 Motorsports

[Cody Laird (ecl3]

Larry,

Bring a Trailer (BaT) is one option as others have mentioned. Despite the 
general comment from Brian referencing the review, you can control most of the 
content, as the content is subject to your approval and you can request edits 
and provide them. Also, when you set the reserve, BaT can disagree with your 
number and that can become a sticking point, but that would be the same as what 
a dealer would offer you versus what you are willing to accept. 

The cost of BaT is very low, $99 if you supply your own photos, or $349 using 
their photographer, or or contact them about their “white glove” service - 
whatever that is as I do not know. I hired a local photographer for $250 to do 
over 130 photos of everything, and because I have a lift the underside photos 
were easy to obtain. Just fyi.

If you don’t agree with content or the reserve they require, it’s cost you less 
than $350 and you just walk away. If you do agree to both, then the auction 
will go live in a few weeks (mine was only 7 days after approval) and it runs 
for only 7 days. Which at then end you either get what you wanted (your 
reserve) or not. No waiting around and the car sitting for potentially months. 
Yes you need to be active in the process once it starts as you will always get 
questions about some photo or service item being done or not, etc.. But from my 
experience it was minimal and on the last day of the auction is the busiest by 
far. And the last 20 minutes can be pretty exciting if a bidding war heats up 
as it did for my t coupe.  

Now, of course BaT is not for everyone and not for every car. However it does 
seem to reflect a pretty good market for Ferraris in general. In my opinion of 
course. 

Personally I’d say keep the car, but I know it’s not an easy decision either 
way, as I might be kicking myself for selling my t coupe in a few years, but 
who knows. 

Good luck !

Best,
Cody Laird

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>   1. Wayne Carini/F40 Motorsports (Larry Bard)
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>   3. Re: Wayne Carini/F40 Motorsports (Lashdeep Singh)
>   4. Re: Wayne Carini/F40 Motorsports (Brian E. Buxton)
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> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 23:35:40 +0000
> From: Larry Bard <larrybard [at] hotmail.com>
> To: Ferrarilist <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: [Ferrari] Wayne Carini/F40 Motorsports
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> Once again I'm thinking about parting with my 1992 512TR -- and more than a 
> bit overwhelmed by the decisions as to how "best" to sell, and what might be 
> a fair price.  I consider it to be in really good shape -- whatever that 
> means these days for a car that's driven, not a "garage queen" -- with about 
> 40,000 miles and a major servicing completed about a year ago by specialists 
> at Scuderia Performante (in my local Philadelphia area).  A friend suggested 
> F40 Motorsports as one possibility. Certainly selling to a buyer such as them 
> would make the process much easier -- but at what price (i.e., discount from 
> what I might get if I advertised through more conventional public channels), 
> I don't know.  Frankly, since there isn't a wealth of data on values, as 
> would be the case with frequently sold vehicles, I don't even have a good 
> handle on what a current fair price might be.  I'm in absolutely no rush to 
> sell -- I would do so tomorrow if I were very highly confident that I was 
> receiving a 
> fair price, but I could also comfortably wait years, though it's such a 
> continuing shame that I don't drive it all that much.   (Yeah, I know -- 
> please don't simply suggest that I drive it more often.)
> 
> Any thoughts (other than driving it to the ghetto, etc.) would be greatly 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks much,
> Larry Bardfeld
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> From: Lashdeep Singh <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> To: Larry Bard <larrybard [at] hotmail.com>
> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Wayne Carini/F40 Motorsports
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> Larry, Bring a Trailer or a live auction!
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>> On Feb 17, 2020, at 18:35, Larry Bard <larrybard [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Once again I'm thinking about parting with my 1992 512TR -- and more than a 
>> bit overwhelmed by the decisions as to how "best" to sell, and what might be 
>> a fair price.  I consider it to be in really good shape -- whatever that 
>> means these days for a car that's driven, not a "garage queen" -- with about 
>> 40,000 miles and a major servicing completed about a year ago by specialists 
>> at Scuderia Performante (in my local Philadelphia area).  A friend suggested 
>> F40 Motorsports as one possibility. Certainly selling to a buyer such as 
>> them would make the process much easier -- but at what price (i.e., discount 
>> from what I might get if I advertised through more conventional public 
>> channels), I don't know.  Frankly, since there isn't a wealth of data on 
>> values, as would be the case with frequently sold vehicles, I don't even 
>> have a good handle on what a current fair price might be.  I'm in absolutely 
>> no rush to sell -- I would do so tomorrow if I were very highly confident 
>> that I was receiving 
> a fair price, but I could also comfortably wait years, though it's such a 
> continuing shame that I don't drive it all that much.   (Yeah, I know -- 
> please don't simply suggest that I drive it more often.)
>> 
>> Any thoughts (other than driving it to the ghetto, etc.) would be greatly 
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks much,
>> Larry Bardfeld
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> From: Lashdeep Singh <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> To: Larry Bard <larrybard [at] hotmail.com>
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> Larry, Bring a Trailer or a live auction!
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2020, at 18:35, Larry Bard <larrybard [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Once again I'm thinking about parting with my 1992 512TR -- and more than a 
>> bit overwhelmed by the decisions as to how "best" to sell, and what might be 
>> a fair price.  I consider it to be in really good shape -- whatever that 
>> means these days for a car that's driven, not a "garage queen" -- with about 
>> 40,000 miles and a major servicing completed about a year ago by specialists 
>> at Scuderia Performante (in my local Philadelphia area).  A friend suggested 
>> F40 Motorsports as one possibility. Certainly selling to a buyer such as 
>> them would make the process much easier -- but at what price (i.e., discount 
>> from what I might get if I advertised through more conventional public 
>> channels), I don't know.  Frankly, since there isn't a wealth of data on 
>> values, as would be the case with frequently sold vehicles, I don't even 
>> have a good handle on what a current fair price might be.  I'm in absolutely 
>> no rush to sell -- I would do so tomorrow if I were very highly confident 
>> that I was receiving 
> a fair price, but I could also comfortably wait years, though it's such a 
> continuing shame that I don't drive it all that much.   (Yeah, I know -- 
> please don't simply suggest that I drive it more often.)
>> 
>> Any thoughts (other than driving it to the ghetto, etc.) would be greatly 
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks much,
>> Larry Bardfeld
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> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 01:03:50 -0600
> From: "Brian E. Buxton" <BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com>
> To: Lashdeep Singh <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Wayne Carini/F40 Motorsports
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> Read the most recent Sports Cars Market on sites such as BAT, where the 
> owner can't control the information presented to the buyers.
> 
> Larry if you don't mind having a really good detail done and taking 150 
> or so really good pics you can sell it yourself ... cars.com, 
> autotrader, carsforsale.com, hemmings.com and about 20 other free 
> sites.? You'll want to post a really good, informative writeup so you 
> aren't answering the same questions 100x.
> 
> My guess is if you sell the car to a dealer you're going to receive $20k 
> or so less than retail value.? 1. they have to make money to support 
> their facilities, 2. they will put some money into the car, because 
> there is *always* something to do to a Ferrari, and to any used car, to 
> prepare them for retail sale.? 3. a dealer can probably get more for the 
> car than you can because they are a dealer, they can offer financing and 
> warranties and make buyers feel more comfortable with full inspections 
> and reputation.? See if some dealers in your area will consign.? That 
> may benefit you both.
> 
> -- 
> Brian E. Buxton
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> Auto Acquisitions and Consulting  |  5411 S.R. 261, Unit 903  |  Newburgh, IN 
> 47629
> (812) 760-5513 mobile  |  (812) 476-2284 fax
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> On 2/17/20 6:56 PM, Lashdeep Singh via Ferrari wrote:
>> Larry, Bring a Trailer or a live auction!
>> 
>> On Feb 17, 2020, at 18:35, Larry Bard <larrybard [at] hotmail.com 
>> <mailto:larrybard [at] hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Once again I'm thinking about parting with my 1992 512TR -- and more 
>>> than a bit overwhelmed by the decisions as to how "best" to sell, and 
>>> what might be a fair price.? I consider it to be in really good shape 
>>> -- whatever that means these days for a car that's driven, not a 
>>> "garage queen" -- with about 40,000 miles and a major servicing 
>>> completed about a year ago by specialists at Scuderia Performante (in 
>>> my local Philadelphia area).? A friend suggested F40 Motorsports as 
>>> one possibility. Certainly selling to a buyer such as them would make 
>>> the process much easier -- but at what price (i.e., discount from 
>>> what I might get if I advertised through more conventional public 
>>> channels), I don't know. Frankly, since there isn't a wealth of data 
>>> on values, as would be the case with frequently sold vehicles, I 
>>> don't even have a good handle on what a current fair price might be.? 
>>> I'm in absolutely no rush to sell -- I would do so tomorrow if I were 
>>> very highly confident that I was receiving a fair price, but I could 
>>> also comfortably wait years, though it's such a continuing shame that 
>>> I don't drive it all that much.?? (Yeah, I know -- please don't 
>>> simply suggest that I drive it more often.)
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts (other than driving it to the ghetto, etc.) would be 
>>> greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks much,
>>> Larry Bardfeld
>>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>> https://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/lashdeep%40yahoo.com
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> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 05:38:44 -0500
> From: clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com
> To: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> Subject: [Ferrari] Neckcar 500
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> Did anyone see that crash?
> And they have the nerve to say they are the best drivers in the world
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     RF4-4 ever
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> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 06:00:13 -0500
> From: Jashburne <jashburne [at] aol.com>
> To: clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com
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> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Neckcar 500
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> I saw it. Tapped from behind, rear end loose, pretty hard hit almost head on 
> in wall, then airborne, landed on roof and finally pretty hard hit on 
> driver?s door before sliding to a fiery stop. Surprised to see a lot of 
> liquid leaking at end, presumably fuel but track crew extinguished fire 
> quickly. 
> 
> Last I heard late last night was his injuries were ?serious but not life 
> threatening ?. 
> 
> Those cars are built like tanks these days and injuries are rare and deaths 
> extremely rare so I think those guys get pretty casual about causing wrecks 
> to get ahead. Guy that caused it won and he was pretty shaken in the 
> interview after the race. 
> 
> John
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Feb 18, 2020, at 5:38 AM, clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Did anyone see that crash?
>> And they have the nerve to say they are the best drivers in the world
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>     RF4-4 ever
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If you have no enemies, you have no character !
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>> Clyde Romero    
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> I saw it. Tapped from behind, rear end loose, pretty hard hit almost head on 
> in wall, then airborne, landed on roof and finally pretty hard hit on 
> driver?s door before sliding to a fiery stop. Surprised to see a lot of 
> liquid leaking at end, presumably fuel but track crew extinguished fire 
> quickly. 
> 
> Last I heard late last night was his injuries were ?serious but not life 
> threatening ?. 
> 
> Those cars are built like tanks these days and injuries are rare and deaths 
> extremely rare so I think those guys get pretty casual about causing wrecks 
> to get ahead. Guy that caused it won and he was pretty shaken in the 
> interview after the race. 
> 
> John
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2020, at 5:38 AM, clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Did anyone see that crash?
>> And they have the nerve to say they are the best drivers in the world
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>     RF4-4 ever
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If you have no enemies, you have no character !
>> 
>> Clyde Romero    
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